S5E8 Food Judgments, Broccoli Conspiracies, and Big Cancer

[00:00:00] Dwyane Perkins: What's a food? You secretly judge people for not liking. 

[00:00:03] Cat Alvarado: Chocolate.

[00:00:04] Koji Steven Sakai: Just any kind of chocolate.

[00:00:05] Cat Alvarado: Yeah, when people don't like chocolate, I think that's just very strange. And it's like, okay, are you just saying that because you want attention and you want to feel different, or are you genuinely a psychopath?

[00:00:16] Dwyane Perkins: I like that, I like that I would say it's kind of a tie between ice cream and pizza.

[00:00:22] Cat Alvarado: Mm.

[00:00:23] Dwyane Perkins: See, a lot of people don't like pizza because.

[00:00:25] Koji Steven Sakai: Well, who doesn't like pizza?

[00:00:26] Dwyane Perkins: Let me let me correct that. Let me correct that. I've known people write more than one who say they vehemently don't like either tomatoes or cheese, but they all still eat pizza. So actually, I've never had someone tell me they don't like pizza, but I've had plenty of people be like, I don't eat cheese. Oh, so you don't want none of this pizza? Well, I didn't I mean.

[00:00:48] Cat Alvarado: Well, that's the thing about, like, food sensitivities, because I'm a food sensitivity person, and sometimes something's really delicious and you're like, all right, I'll have furious diarrhea for a day. It's worth it.

[00:01:00] Koji Steven Sakai: Although one of the. So my son is, like, allergic to everything. Yeah. And actually, one of the things that's been interesting is that when he eats something that he's allergic to, it tastes bad. And it took me a long time to.

[00:01:11] Dwyane Perkins: His body is protecting him.

[00:01:11] Koji Steven Sakai: Yeah. He says like, he's like, it tastes funny. And then he'd say, my throat feels funny. It tastes funny. I don't like this.

[00:01:17] Cat Alvarado: But I think it gets like, if you teach your child to override it, you can override it. So all my food sensitivities. I did not like those foods as as a child. And my parents made me eat them.

[00:01:26] Koji Steven Sakai: Yeah.

[00:01:27] Dwyane Perkins: Interesting.

[00:01:27] Koji Steven Sakai: Well, he's done he's done oral immunotherapy so he could eat, like, some of the stuff. But like, even the thing about oral immunotherapy, even with it, peanut butter still doesn't taste good for him, even though he's done.

[00:01:37] Dwyane Perkins: Right, right. Because his body is.

[00:01:38] Cat Alvarado: Still just like it's not.

[00:01:40] Koji Steven Sakai: But even though he can't eat it now, he's not allergic to it. But the thing, like the thing I didn't realize about oral immunotherapy was that he has to eat it every day for the rest of his life in order to keep.

[00:01:50] Dwyane Perkins: Oh, that's a lot of work.

[00:01:51] Cat Alvarado: No.

[00:01:52] Koji Steven Sakai: So, like, he's now not allergic to as many things, but but he has to eat it every day. But it's weird because I didn't realize that he had to. He has to like like his body still rejects it even though he's not allergic. But for me, it's sushi.

[00:02:02] Dwyane Perkins: Right? If you don't, you don't trust people.

[00:02:03] Koji Steven Sakai: I don't trust people because I always feel like, well, like you just haven't tried it or you don't. You're like, it's like, I understand, like in the 80s when people were like, it's so weird and different. But now it's like, I don't understand why you wouldn't even even like.

[00:02:14] Cat Alvarado: Yeah. Like, are they actually racist?

[00:02:17] Dwyane Perkins: Like, it's tough when you live in California, you know, because most people I know eat sushi. I know 1 or 2 people who I really like and respect, who don't eat sushi. And, um.

[00:02:26] Koji Steven Sakai: I like that you had to preface that with like.

[00:02:29] Dwyane Perkins: No, but I do the one person I'm thinking of particular in particular. So when I tell them, I'm sure you tell people too, is like, well, if the raw, raw fish thing is bugging you out, you know, there's things that don't have any fish, like.

[00:02:40] Koji Steven Sakai: There's vegetable.

[00:02:41] Dwyane Perkins: California roll, which is not really sushi, or unagi, which is cooked.

[00:02:44] Koji Steven Sakai: Or vegetables.

[00:02:45] Dwyane Perkins: Yeah, yeah. Vegetables. So, you know, it's tough because I if they won't try it, that's a little tough. But I get it. If you don't eat anything raw,

[00:02:53] Cat Alvarado: I don't like people who won't try things. Yeah, that bugs me.

[00:02:56] Koji Steven Sakai: Even as little kids. It's a no thank you bite you have to take two no thank you bites.

[00:03:00] Dwyane Perkins: Interesting.

[00:03:00] Cat Alvarado: I like that

[00:03:01] Dwyane Perkins: So like I don't like flan, right? I just don't like flan. People are always trying to push it on me.

[00:03:06] Cat Alvarado: It's a weird texture.

[00:03:07] Dwyane Perkins: I always have to explain to people. I go, I don't like flan. They go, well, you haven't tried my flan or my abuela's flan or whatever. And I'm like, look, look, I've had flan many times. This is not like this is a very informed thing. I've had it. You know,

[00:03:22] Koji Steven Sakai: You've never had Japanese flan.

[00:03:24] Dwyane Perkins: Right? Right. Well, that could be the one exception. But like 6 to 10 times I've had it. It's the texture. But but I know that I like everything on either side of flan. It's just flan. Like I like cheesecake, I like tofu, I like pudding, I like jello, I like any kind of cake, you know, bread pudding, anything on either side texture wise. But flan just hits the one thing.

[00:03:48] Cat Alvarado: It's like an uncanny valley of cake and pudding.

[00:03:52] Koji Steven Sakai: Flans good.

[00:03:53] Dwyane Perkins: I can't do it. It's like my brain. I don't know, maybe because it's like, um,

[00:03:57] Cat Alvarado: It's. The it's the Will Smith eating spaghetti of desserts.

[00:03:59] Dwyane Perkins: Right? I can't chew it, but I've tried it many times. And every now, every few years I have to try it again because someone's like, oh, you gotta try this one.

[00:04:08] Cat Alvarado: I mean, that's different. Like, if you've tried it before and you know you don't like it, that's one thing. But someone who's never tried sushi and also refuses to try it even once, that would bug me.

[00:04:17] Dwyane Perkins: Especially when it's like it's mainly rice, you know, like it's.

[00:04:21] Koji Steven Sakai: Sashimi. Though.

[00:04:22] Dwyane Perkins: Yeah, sashimi. But yeah, if you don't, if you're just starting out, then have the have the roll. It's like medicine with candy inside. It's like I mean candy with medicine.

[00:04:30] Koji Steven Sakai: Wow. You're not making it sound very good.

[00:04:34] Dwyane Perkins: Meaning like it's a good starter starting.

[00:04:36] Koji Steven Sakai: Yeah. I mean, the Philadelphia roll tastes like there's, like, cheese, cream cheese in it. You can't taste anything in it. Yeah, it doesn't taste like fish at all.

[00:04:44] Dwyane Perkins: Right. You could go out with people and actually order and them not know that you're not even eating the raw stuff. You could, like, fake it.

[00:04:59] Cat Alvarado: Welcome to the unofficial Official Story Podcast. This is episode eight of season five. Join us as we dive into the quirky, mysterious and bizarre. From unsolved mysteries to peculiar pop culture phenomena, we uncover hidden stories and explore alternate realities. My name is Cat Alvarado. Asparagus. I don't know.

[00:05:25] Dwyane Perkins: I'll say, uh, I don't know. I'm Dwayne I'm trying to think of something that goes with pee. I'll be, uh, today. I'll be, uh, Dwayne salad. Because, uh, I got a cruise coming up, and, uh, what I'm going to do is for the first 2 or 3 days of the cruise, just eat fruits and fruit and salad, and then after that, go ham with all the other offerings.

[00:05:45] Koji Steven Sakai: And I'm Koji tempura broccoli.

[00:05:47] Dwyane Perkins: I like it, okay. Tempura is like one of these things where it's always good, but sometimes it's really good. But not every place makes it,

[00:05:55] Koji Steven Sakai: Well, real. Like the real tempura is like, not as bready, like. It's. It's much like lighter. Like when you go to a restaurant and it's like super bready. It's not very good. But when you get like at home and stuff, it would be like, uh, it's a much lighter. Like it's not like batter. It's not like everything's batter and there's a little bit of shrimp. It's like it's the opposite. It's way better. Trust me.

[00:06:13] Dwyane Perkins: I feel like Japanese of all the it's the healthiest of the Asian foods. Like just it's one.

[00:06:18] Koji Steven Sakai: One of the healthiest foods in genera.

[00:06:19] Cat Alvarado: It has the least sugar. I feel like like every other Asian food is, like, really full of sugar.

[00:06:23] Dwyane Perkins: Yeah, sugar. And, I don't know, salt and.

[00:06:25] Cat Alvarado: Not all of them, but, like, a lot has sugar.

[00:06:27] Dwyane Perkins: And I think Japanese food gets a bad rap. It's not like bland or anything, but it's not my favorite.

[00:06:34] Koji Steven Sakai: Wow.

[00:06:35] Dwyane Perkins: No, no. I think people say that because of I think it's healthy.

[00:06:38] Koji Steven Sakai: Japanese food is always seen as high class food.

[00:06:40] Dwyane Perkins: Yeah. Compared to like it probably costs more. And it's not as like in your face as like, uh, you know, Thai food, there's always some kind of spice and peanut sauce or Chinese food always has, like,

[00:06:49] Cat Alvarado: I mean, I have a feeling there's a lot of sugar in them because they have to make it for Americans, and we probably need the sugar.

[00:06:54] Koji Steven Sakai: Yeah. Teriyaki sauce is like in Japan. Teriyaki sauce is light. It's not like the.

[00:06:58] Cat Alvarado: It's not like what we have here. We basically have molasses.

[00:07:01] Koji Steven Sakai: Yes. In real Japanese food, it's very like. It's like more like a, like it has a consistency of, like soy sauce, like that kind of consistency. So it's like much, much lighter.

[00:07:10] Cat Alvarado: I really like bulgogi.

[00:07:11] Koji Steven Sakai: Yeah that's Korean.

[00:07:12] Cat Alvarado: I know.

[00:07:12] Koji Steven Sakai: Okay.

[00:07:13] Dwyane Perkins: I like okonomiyaki.

[00:07:15] Koji Steven Sakai: Oh, nice. That was good.

[00:07:18] Cat Alvarado: I don't know what that is, but I also like Boba.

[00:07:21] Dwyane Perkins: That's a really good.

[00:07:22] Cat Alvarado: Got a theory or a mystery that you want us to explore? Send it our way. And we might feature it in an upcoming episode.

[00:07:28] Koji Steven Sakai: Christmas season is right around the corner with December halfway through, but it's also the month of National Farmers Day in India, which is which is a day I celebrate every every December for sure.

[00:07:39] Dwyane Perkins: Yes. So we're going to kick off this podcast with an interesting question regarding one popular farmer's crop. Is broccoli poisonous?

[00:07:47] Cat Alvarado: Let's uncover the truth behind the conspiracy.

[00:07:50] Koji Steven Sakai: Let's do it.

[00:07:50] Cat Alvarado: Here's the official story.

[00:07:52] Dwyane Perkins: Excuse me. Everyone's familiar with broccoli. Of course. Originally cultivated in Italy, broccoli is a nutritious cabbage plant in the mustard family.

[00:08:00] Koji Steven Sakai: Did not know that.

[00:08:01] Dwyane Perkins: I didn't know that either.

[00:08:02] Koji Steven Sakai: Many families include this vegetable in a wide range of dishes or serve it as a side dish. But like all vegetables, it's mostly known for its health benefits.

[00:08:11] Cat Alvarado: Broccoli contains antioxidants, fiber, vitamin C and K, and iron, among others, and these nutrients support cancer prevention, lower cholesterol levels, and promote eye health. While these health benefits should dispel any doubt about its edibility, some people still suspect that broccoli is poisonous.

[00:08:30] Dwyane Perkins: Yes, part of it comes from the speculation that it isn't actually real. They're not wrong. Broccoli is selectively bred, which leads people to associate it with genetically modified food. Maybe like it's the OG, GMO GMOs don't particularly have a good reputation.

[00:08:48] Cat Alvarado: It's funny that you mentioned GMOs because actually they've got an unfair reputation. Just about every fruit and vegetable you eat is GMO, even if they're like, oh, it's non-GMO. No, it is not the version it was when it came from evolution in the wild.

[00:09:03] Dwyane Perkins: But also, I think there's a difference between farmers 200 years ago, you know, playing with,

[00:09:09] Koji Steven Sakai: Breeding them. 

[00:09:10] Dwyane Perkins: In natural ways than there is now.

[00:09:12] Cat Alvarado: With gene splicing.

[00:09:13] Dwyane Perkins: Yeah. Yeah.

[00:09:14] Cat Alvarado: Fair.

[00:09:15] Dwyane Perkins: By the way, Turkey Divine is one of my favorite broccoli things. I haven't had it in a long time.

[00:09:19] Koji Steven Sakai: Talked about that last week. 

[00:09:20] Dwyane Perkins: Did I.

[00:09:20] Koji Steven Sakai: Last month yeah.

[00:09:21] Dwyane Perkins: That's right because we mentioned broccoli. Yeah it's a it's a it's broccoli wrapped with like turkey wrapped around it. And if it's unhealthy it's because of the nitrates in the turkey.

[00:09:30] Koji Steven Sakai: I have a whole theory. I have a whole theory about GMOs because, uh, the three like the when we were kids, peanuts were, you know, like, not everyone was allergic to peanuts. Now, like, a lot of the kids are allergic to peanuts. Soy is another one that people are allergic to. And what are the two most genetically modified. 

[00:09:45] Dwyane Perkins: Absolutely.

[00:09:46] Cat Alvarado: Crops are peanuts and soy. And so now you look at like these kids. Like, I mean, they're like like my son's school when he was in elementary school, was peanut free. Totally.

[00:09:55] Cat Alvarado: Oh, wow.

[00:09:55] Koji Steven Sakai: Because a kid almost died. And so. And my son is allergic to peanuts, and my wife and I are not. And you just go through. And there's so many kids who are allergic to these things, and you start to wonder if there is a correlation. I mean, I don't know if there's a correlation. People do believe.

[00:10:07] Cat Alvarado: There's something to it. Yeah.

[00:10:08] Dwyane Perkins: Right. Somewhere there's a study that proves it, but it's been buried by, um, big, big,

[00:10:13] Koji Steven Sakai: Big broccoli.

[00:10:14] Dwyane Perkins: Yeah, big broccoli.

[00:10:16] Cat Alvarado: By Mr. Peanut. Actually, the monocle and everything actually makes sense now. Uh, in addition, the vegetable contains something called a goitrogen, which is a chemical that can interfere with iodine intake, preventing the formation of thyroid hormones. If these thyroid hormones are blocked, there's likely a chance of developing hypothyroidism. A couple of indicators include fatigue and constipation. Uh oh. That's me. I'm kidding. Coincidentally, these are just a few of the symptoms reported by those who've eaten broccoli.

[00:10:49] Koji Steven Sakai: On top of that, crops are known to be consistently treated with pesticides, broccoli included. It's well known that this this substance is toxic to the environment and can contaminate soil and other crops, as well as killing the pests. Organic broccoli is also known to contain natural pesticides, which some argue are more toxic than the synthetic variant, which I would argue that personally, but I guess some people would.

[00:11:09] Dwyane Perkins: Yeah. Anything natural? Usually you're okay, but. 

[00:11:13] Koji Steven Sakai: Yeah. Usually.

[00:11:15] Cat Alvarado: Regardless of where these pesticides came from, at least half of them have been tested on lab animals. The result a large number of those animals have been revealed to have types of cancer, bladder cancer among them.

[00:11:25] Koji Steven Sakai: After that, people were convinced that broccoli is a health hazard and have questioned why the government hasn't done anything about it. It's got harmful substances and has been proven to be artificially made. So what's stopping them? Is it the wide demand for broccoli in markets, or are those foods food theorists actually wrong?

[00:11:43] Dwyane Perkins: Now that we've got the facts.

[00:11:44] Cat Alvarado: Wait, do we have the facts?

[00:11:46] Koji Steven Sakai: That was the facts.

[00:11:47] Dwyane Perkins: Yeah.

[00:11:47] Cat Alvarado: Those are enough facts.

[00:11:48] Dwyane Perkins: Some people, uh, think broccoli is poisonous. That was enough.

[00:11:52] Koji Steven Sakai: No, I mean, how much more facts?

[00:11:53] Cat Alvarado: Okay, well, let me give you some facts over here.

[00:11:55] Koji Steven Sakai: Okay.

[00:11:55] Cat Alvarado: So there's actually a study. I'll have to find it, um, and put it in the show notes that was done on vegetables that says yes, vegetables do cause some inflammation in your body. Wow. But turns out a little bit of inflammation is okay. It's a little bit like exercise. Where or a vaccine.

[00:12:15] Koji Steven Sakai: Um, we don't believe in vaccines anymore.

[00:12:16] Cat Alvarado: Your body gets goes under this small amount of, of of stress from eating the vegetable.

[00:12:22] Dwyane Perkins: Right.

[00:12:22] Cat Alvarado: And then overcomes it and then actually has a stronger immune system as a result. Now, if you were to eat only broccoli every single day, forever, you're gonna get sick from it. You will definitely have some kind of side effect, but that's true of just about any vegetable and really any kind of food. 

[00:12:38] Dwyane Perkins: Except McDonald's.

[00:12:40] Koji Steven Sakai: Mcdonald's. You eat that every day. It's good for you. 100%.

[00:12:43] Dwyane Perkins: Right.

[00:12:44] Cat Alvarado: But that actually underscores the importance of having variety in your diet. So don't eat broccoli every day. Right. But small amounts on an occasional basis are going to be fine for you. There's something else called acrylamide. I learned about this back in college. Acrylamide is a substance that can cause cancer. And it's the brown stuff on baked goods. Like when something cooks and it. Turns a little brown.

[00:13:05] Dwyane Perkins: There's a warning you get when you buy baked goods in California. Sometimes. Yeah.

[00:13:09] Cat Alvarado: Yeah. It's acrylamide. And oh, my God, it's so scary. Acrylamide. Turns out you can only get cancer from acrylamide. If you were to literally swim in a pool of it daily.

[00:13:22] Koji Steven Sakai: Oh, shit. That's a problem.

[00:13:25] Cat Alvarado: So sometimes we hear about foods and vegetables that are supposedly harmful to us, but they don't tell us in what amount. Like, you don't know how much they administered to a given rat or raccoon, whatever they're testing it on to make it die, right? So you could even drink too much water and die.

[00:13:45] Koji Steven Sakai: Yeah, yeah.

[00:13:46] Dwyane Perkins: It's happened.

[00:13:47] Koji Steven Sakai: Um, people do that, especially when they're on drugs.

[00:13:49] Dwyane Perkins: Like marathoners.

[00:13:50] Koji Steven Sakai: Or drugs.

[00:13:51] Dwyane Perkins: Or drugs. Yeah, yeah.

[00:13:52] Cat Alvarado: So if you have a diverse diet.

[00:13:53] Dwyane Perkins: Or marathon drug session.

[00:13:54] Koji Steven Sakai: There you go.

[00:13:55] Dwyane Perkins: Yeah.

[00:13:56] Cat Alvarado: If you don't overdo it on any one specific food, you're probably gonna be okay.

[00:14:00] Koji Steven Sakai: Also, I think the key to long life is just being an asshole. I mean, assholes tend to live the longest for some reason.

[00:14:05] Dwyane Perkins: There's something about that. Yeah.

[00:14:07] Cat Alvarado: Be like Koji. That's what he's saying.

[00:14:10] Koji Steven Sakai: It's like if you live like the Holocaust, it's probably because you, like, stole food. Maybe. Or you did stuff that was like, if you were a good person, you, like, gave other people food, and then you ended up not having enough and then dying. I mean, it's like everybody I know who's a jerk lived forever. Everyone I know who was a nice person died young.

[00:14:25] Dwyane Perkins: Right, right.

[00:14:25] Koji Steven Sakai: It's just I don't know what it is.

[00:14:27] Dwyane Perkins: That's because the rest of the world didn't handle them like they should have.

[00:14:32] Koji Steven Sakai: And then I got to talk to my friend. He has this theory. Everything in excess, nothing in moderation. So we're gonna. He's gonna have to listen to this episode.

[00:14:38] Dwyane Perkins: Everything in excess.

[00:14:39] Koji Steven Sakai: And nothing in moderation.

[00:14:41] Dwyane Perkins: It's like when we're talking about.

[00:14:42] Cat Alvarado: How is he alive?

[00:14:44] Dwyane Perkins: We're talking about the the the people who worship, uh, Satan. That sounds similar to that. That.

[00:14:49] Cat Alvarado: Oh, yeah, they're like, do whatever you want. Kind of a thing.

[00:14:52] Koji Steven Sakai: Yeah. But yeah. So anyway, he's not a Satanist, to be clear.

[00:14:55] Dwyane Perkins: Everything in excess indefinitely or like until you get tired of it and then you do something else in excess.

[00:15:01] Koji Steven Sakai: Yeah. Everything excess. Nothing in moderation is his personal philosophy.

[00:15:04] Cat Alvarado: Wow.

[00:15:04] Dwyane Perkins: Interesting.

[00:15:05] Cat Alvarado: Okay. He better not drink vodka, because I heard if you drink a full bottle of that, you die like that day.

[00:15:11] Koji Steven Sakai: Or live forever. Either way,

[00:15:13] Dwyane Perkins: I could see that working as long as you. You didn't do it in excess indefinitely.

[00:15:17] Cat Alvarado: Side note one thing I've noticed is that there are people who, like, be obsessed with things like, I can't eat this specific vegetable. Oh, broccoli. Oh, no, I have to eat meat all the time because the goitrogens or whatever, I'm clearly a little bit biased, but then they'll just like, do crack. Uh, not necessarily crack, but like. 

[00:15:37] Koji Steven Sakai: When you do crack. And when you do crack, you never come back. I mean, that's like I've known people who've done crack and never come back.

[00:15:43] Dwyane Perkins: Now that we have the facts, now that we have the facts, let's settle this debate. Once we come back from the break, we'll figure out if broccoli is really as harmful as it could be.

[00:15:56] Cat Alvarado: Now that we've reviewed the evidence, let's give our theories.

[00:15:59] Dwyane Perkins: Our series.

[00:16:01] Koji Steven Sakai: Or theories.

[00:16:02] Dwyane Perkins: I guess I'll go first. My theory is not really that high powered, but I will say this. It's related to the algorithm. And I think, um, obviously we know this now, but we live in a world where the algorithm is going to be your truth and it just wants to hook you. And because I watch, like YouTube gave me an end of the year wrap up. And I guess my third thing that I like rap beef sports and then like nutrition or personal development, those are my three top categories. You know, I have a whole folder for nutrition, but I click on everything. So I'm like, if I was if I'm right in the middle. But I can see a thing where if you click on certain things, if you like, want to do keto, if you like love meat and you like, how can I lose weight, then that'll be your truth, because you'll get all these videos that celebrate being a pure carnivore to the point of not eating, not eating veggies. If you're not a meat person and you love veggies, then that'll be your truth. You'll get all these videos saying it's good to be, not eat meat.

[00:17:02] Cat Alvarado: Like a vegan.

[00:17:02] Dwyane Perkins: And me personally, if times when I've I've never just eaten meat exclusively, so I can't speak to that. But whenever I've eaten veggies or eating eating like like take meat out of my diet, I feel great. You know, I don't feel that loss of protein. I know that's that's a concern. But I think things like this, like, is broccoli poisonous? I think the meat people have so much money. They have doctors on their payroll.

[00:17:27] Koji Steven Sakai: So it's big meat.

[00:17:28] Dwyane Perkins: It's big meat. Yes. And I'm not talking about me. Oh, shit I'm sorry. That was uncalled for. That's really uncalled for. I apologize. But yeah, I think.

[00:17:36] Cat Alvarado: There is a lot of merit to that. I remember I had an ex-boyfriend, um, who.

[00:17:41] Dwyane Perkins: This the same one or a different one?

[00:17:43] Cat Alvarado: I don't know,

[00:17:43] Dwyane Perkins: The one with the milk that slid.

[00:17:45] Cat Alvarado: Yes.

[00:17:45] Dwyane Perkins: That one. Mom was kind of crazy.

[00:17:47] Cat Alvarado: Yeah, the crazy one. Okay, yeah. That one. So that ex-boyfriend went through a phase where he was just eating meat. He was a carnivore, and he was like, I heard on Joe Rogan. There's scientific proof that it is good for you.

[00:17:58] Koji Steven Sakai: And the Liver King, by the way, is a charlatan, right?

[00:18:01] Cat Alvarado: Oh, yeah. Yeah. Uh, Liver King is on steroids.

[00:18:03] Koji Steven Sakai: Liver King was just on steroids. Literally. That's all he did.

[00:18:06] Dwyane Perkins: Oh, I don't know. This guy. Is he like.

[00:18:07] Koji Steven Sakai: That's where Joe I mean, Joe, he actually got in a fight with Joe Rogan.

[00:18:10] Dwyane Perkins: Joe Rogan mess up your liver anyway.

[00:18:12] Koji Steven Sakai: Sorry.

[00:18:13] Cat Alvarado: No. So I wanted to disprove to my boyfriend why? Why he should eat vegetable like disprove the the all meat thing. So I'm like, let me read the paper that Joe Rogan cites in the episode about the meat. And then so I'm reading the paper and at the very bottom it says paid for by the beef checkoff which is a giant.

[00:18:34] Koji Steven Sakai: The beef jack off. 

[00:18:36] Cat Alvarado: Checkoff.

[00:18:36] Dwyane Perkins: Checkoff. A Russian guy beef last name checkoff. I love his plays.

[00:18:41] Cat Alvarado: It is a giant beef industry organization. And so yeah, it was big beef paid for that study and then morons on podcasts were like, there it is, there's the proof.

[00:18:51] Dwyane Perkins: And the thing is, this.

[00:18:51] Cat Alvarado: Beef is good for you.

[00:18:52] Dwyane Perkins: Can you force your body to burn fat? Yes. You can force your body to burn fat and stay in keto, but you're not naturally meant to be in keto like every waking hour, I don't think. I think it's something you can use.

[00:19:06] Cat Alvarado: If evolution wanted you to be, you'd be in it,

[00:19:09] Dwyane Perkins: Right? And the fact is that if you're from a place where there if you're from northern Europe, maybe you ate more meat, but there's there are no cavemen that ate only meat. In fact, meat was probably some kind of a treat that they got when they were able to kill something. I don't know, I just think it's weird that like, and and listen, they're very convincing that doctors and I'm like, I like I was putting chia in my in my shakes. And then this doctor was like, Chia has lectin and da da da da. And what they do is they overstate the negative impacts of things like Chia. This one doctor was like, apples aren't the same. They have more sugar than they used to. It's like, yeah, and meat is fucking healthy and meat doesn't have chemicals in it.

[00:19:50] Cat Alvarado: So they pick and choose.

[00:19:51] Dwyane Perkins: They pick and choose. Yeah. And and that's where we're at now with the algorithm. So like reality is you can eat all meat and be kind of healthy short term. We don't know the long term effects. But I do think all this anti vegetable thing is big meat.

[00:20:05] Koji Steven Sakai: Big meat okay.

[00:20:05] Dwyane Perkins: Yeah.

[00:20:06] Koji Steven Sakai: All right. My theory is uh based on kind of what's going on in the world in our country today. Basically it is true that broccoli is poisonous,

[00:20:14] Dwyane Perkins: Right?

[00:20:14] Cat Alvarado: Okay. Of course.

[00:20:15] Koji Steven Sakai: All you really need to do, you don't need to eat anything. All we need is prayer.

[00:20:20] Dwyane Perkins: I like this theory.

[00:20:21] Cat Alvarado: Yeah. I feel like you're onto something.

[00:20:23] Dwyane Perkins: Really? One of your best theories.

[00:20:24] Koji Steven Sakai: I appreciate this. So all you have. I mean, you don't need to eat meat. You don't need to eat vegetables. You don't need to drink water. All you need is prayer. And if you pray well and hard enough, you will be sustained.

[00:20:36] Cat Alvarado: Who do we pray to.

[00:20:37] Dwyane Perkins: When you pick up that girl on the first date and she says, where are we going? We're gonna eat. We're gonna pray.

[00:20:46] Koji Steven Sakai: We're gonna pray for our sustenance. That's all we need. So done.

[00:20:51] Cat Alvarado: We're going to church.

[00:20:52] Koji Steven Sakai: This is also. This is also hospitals and school, right? Anything you need, you can just pray. It's all good.

[00:20:58] Dwyane Perkins: I love it.

[00:20:59] Koji Steven Sakai: I was watching this YouTube video about this guy who gives, like, um, day laborers like, things, and he or he helps people, and he was helping this probably. I mean, I don't know if he's undocumented, but an immigrant who's selling flowers, and he's from Honduras, and he gave him money. He bought this whole thing. And the immediately what he did is he got on his knees and started praying, and it was like it tripped me out because I was like, it's so crazy that these people hate this guy so much because he's so religious that, like, everything out of his mouth was like about Jesus and about. And he was so Christian. He's more Christian than like most of the people I know, and they want to kick him out of this fucking country, even though he's like super, super. I mean, he probably goes to church every whatever. He's like. He's super religious. And he was praying and it was like, really? I mean, it was awesome that people were helping him and stuff, but it was just like, I was like, why are we kicking this guy out? I mean, I thought we wanted these guys and not like the bastard people who don't believe in any religion. But anyway, sorry, I'm just gonna. 

[00:21:52] Dwyane Perkins: Listen. You made me think of something where, like, two things you made me think of. One is like I'm Christian, but in a way, I'm not Islam, but in a way, Islam was kind of like, more like hardcore or more practice what it preaches kind of thing, because Christianity finds a way to sort of like be okay with slavery, be okay with all crazy things, and all religions have like people that. 

[00:22:12] Koji Steven Sakai: Twist,

[00:22:13] Dwyane Perkins: Twist the truth or use it to their own thing. But like, apparently like back when, um, Muslims had slaves. The thing was, if the slave converted to Islam, then you had to let him go. Oh, because you couldn't enslave another Muslim.

[00:22:27] Koji Steven Sakai: Oh, shit. Mental note.

[00:22:28] Dwyane Perkins: You kind of had to like. And I don't know if they all practiced, you know.

[00:22:32] Koji Steven Sakai: Sure, sure.

[00:22:33] Dwyane Perkins: But you had to kind of, like, not let the slave know about, well, Islam in a way.

[00:22:39] Cat Alvarado: Oh, that's like so that's like the opposite of Christianity.

[00:22:41] Dwyane Perkins: Exactly.

[00:22:41] Koji Steven Sakai: What's. There's one faith, right? One denomination of Christian where you could you could at any point, I think. Is it Baptist? It might be Baptist, but where you could at any point say that you believe in Jesus and all your sins have been forgiven.

[00:22:52] Cat Alvarado: That's like evangelical.

[00:22:53] Koji Steven Sakai: Evangelicals do that. Right.

[00:22:54] Cat Alvarado: But evangelical is basically Baptist. Yeah.

[00:22:56] Koji Steven Sakai: So you could just kill somebody and then right before you die, say, hey, I believe in Jesus, and all is forgiven. That's crazy.

[00:23:02] Dwyane Perkins: I just have a joke about that.

[00:23:03] Cat Alvarado: But it has to be real. Like, really in your heart. Like you can't just say it. It has to. Like God knows God is watching you.

[00:23:10] Dwyane Perkins: Like my first 20 minutes, I had a joke. I stopped doing it, but I had a joke about that. I said, I have an aunt who's really religious and she tries to save everyone before they die. And she was like, um, like at my I made up a name, but I was like my cousin Junebug's funeral. She was like, you know, you know, Junebug did a lot of bad things when he was in the hospital. And on his deathbed, I asked him if he would take the Lord Jesus Christ as his personal savior before he died. Now he was in a coma. He couldn't say anything. But I took his lips and said, I do. So I think he got into heaven.

[00:23:43] Koji Steven Sakai: Well, you know what's really crazy? And this is super random. We're going sideways. But what's really interesting about the Western civilization is that for some reason, we believe that there's a personal relationship with God. Like, if we do something good, we'll be rewarded. God will personally reward us. If we do something bad, we'll be personally punished. People in the East don't believe this. There is no like I do something like some higher being cares about me. It's a very Western belief. That's why I like.

[00:24:10] Dwyane Perkins: Because you're more judged by the community, right?

[00:24:11] Koji Steven Sakai: It's like a whole. Yeah, it's like everything. Like it's just. Oh, you're like, overall a bad person. So then it's not because of, like, you'reit's not becausest it's just part of your vibrations or whatever. But it's not like like it's so weird that there's like that. We in the West have like such a like we're so important that.

[00:24:29] Cat Alvarado: That God would care.

[00:24:30] Koji Steven Sakai: That God cares about what we're thinking, not even what we're doing, but we're thinking.

[00:24:34] Dwyane Perkins: Yeah. Because if you think a bad thought, it's a sin. But what? God is omnipotent in that scenario. So it's not like it's taxing for him. He can.

[00:24:42] Cat Alvarado: Yeah. It's not like an AI data center.

[00:24:43] Koji Steven Sakai: Well but but it's like but that but it's.

[00:24:46] Dwyane Perkins: Like the the best AI data center.

[00:24:49] Koji Steven Sakai: But there is something to be said that you think that you're so important.

[00:24:51] Dwyane Perkins: Yeah, I can see that.

[00:24:52] Koji Steven Sakai: Like, that's why the story of job is like I always argued, the story of job is the like like when I have people in Japan or China talk to me about America, I say, read the story of job. The story of job is like the best example of the way America is in the West is because like, what is the story? It's like, oh, there's this, this job, and he's a good guy. Bad things happen because God chooses to have a bet with the devil, right? But then when job confronts the God, right. God says to the job, you don't know the plan. There is a bigger plan that you're involved with.

[00:25:26] Cat Alvarado: Wait, God is QAnon? No kidding.

[00:25:30] Koji Steven Sakai: But that's. But that's what he says, right? And so basically that's saying to people, even if bad things are happening to good people, there's a greater plan that you are involved with, not just like, not just like humanity.

[00:25:42] Dwyane Perkins: It's like sports teams that pray,

[00:25:44] Cat Alvarado: You are special.

[00:25:45] Koji Steven Sakai: Yeah. You're special. 

[00:25:45] Dwyane Perkins: Like sports teams pray to God that they'll win, which means you're really praying that they lose. The other team loses. As opposed to that.

[00:25:52] Koji Steven Sakai: God will favor you. You're so important.

[00:25:54] Dwyane Perkins: Why would God want you to win and not them to win? God is like, what's the line on that game? How many points are we giving the Lakers?

[00:26:02] Koji Steven Sakai: I made a prop bet. 

[00:26:03] Cat Alvarado: God is Football fan. 

[00:26:03] Dwyane Perkins: Right.

[00:26:04] Koji Steven Sakai: But it's so I mean it's so weird. It's a very weird I mean it's a very but it explains a lot about America and our individualism. And who we are.

[00:26:11] Cat Alvarado: Also like, why if somebody's a winner or rich, you're like, God must have favored them because God answered them. And if you're poor, it's because God.

[00:26:18] Koji Steven Sakai: It's the same reason that like we, we I don't know why, but we all think billionaires are smart, even though they're not smart. I mean.

[00:26:25] Dwyane Perkins: Here's the thing. Trickle down economics is not a thing, right? But trickle down sort of ideology is a thing. And to me, because I watched the American, the Ken Burns American Revolution thing, and there's a guy on YouTube who points out its flaws. But even though it seems like it's like it's trying to be like pro-revolution, but it's really even with that, it's like you can see the cracks in it and it's just like these rich guys.

[00:26:51] Koji Steven Sakai: Yeah, they didn't want it.

[00:26:52] Dwyane Perkins: They wanted to take over and they wanted, yes, everything. And they didn't want England to have everything. And that was it. Everything after that is just something they said to make you feel good. And if, if liberty, justice or anything that transpired after that, it was happenstance or it was like what they had to fulfill because something had to be different. Like, you're not going to watch two of your sons die in a war just to go back to everything being the same. But all they wanted was to go west, keep slavery, go west, take everything from the Indians, and they created this super dope narrative of freedom and everything to get it.

[00:27:26] Koji Steven Sakai: Well, it's like even like, I mean, when Elon Musk was doing the whole Doge thing, I had to tell everybody. I was like, well, he didn't do the algorithm for or he didn't do any of the coding for, uh, PayPal. Like he just came in later. It's not it's not like he's he built the Tesla out of his own brain. He just he was an investor. '

[00:27:44] Dwyane Perkins: And now people are giving him credit for creating these pods like these. They're going to be. I was like, what's new about a pod? But he's not spending every he didn't do any of this the beginning of time.

[00:27:53] Koji Steven Sakai: But for some reason.

[00:27:54] Cat Alvarado: He's just the guy who's financing it. And nobody gives credit to the engineers who spend like day and night.

[00:28:00] Koji Steven Sakai: But it's that same kind of like we think that if you're rich and successful, God favored you personally because of your hard work and dedication.

[00:28:07] Dwyane Perkins: That's why they build big temples and things like that, because it just means you had the money or the technological know how, or you, you paid people or you enslaved people, whatever. However way you did it, you built this ten storey thing.

[00:28:20] Koji Steven Sakai: So what's your theory?

[00:28:20] Cat Alvarado: So my theory.

[00:28:21] Dwyane Perkins: Oh, wait, one more thing. I'm sorry. What's going on? Okay. I just want to say about the big meat thing. Usually I listen to all of my vegetable things on a on, like, audiobooks. And apparently when they were doing the, uh, the food triangle, the food thing, the government was going to say, have make a diet that's, um, like, focuses on less meat like or reducing meat intake and big. The meat company fucking jumped on it. They, they, they went to the, you know, whoever's the, um, Food and Drug Administration and they got the they got that changed to lean meat. But it was going to say like reduce like focus on eating less meat. And they changed it to lean meat. Well, just that one word like they spent millions.

[00:29:01] Cat Alvarado: Oh yeah. Oh, yeah. There is so much money in that. There are a few. A few years ago, everybody was like, I'm trying to be more plant based because it's good for the climate, good for the climate, good for the climate. It was right around then when all of a sudden all this marketing went into carnivore for the bros. And, and I remember like reading, that we were having an impact on meat consumption in the country. Like there were farmers that were actually closing like cattle farmers. Right?

[00:29:26] Koji Steven Sakai: Grazing cattle farming is very inefficient. It's not just bad for there's.

[00:29:30] Dwyane Perkins: So much water.

[00:29:31] Koji Steven Sakai: Well, a lot of land and a lot of carbon monoxide, and it's not good. I mean, we should eat crickets is really if we wanted protein, they're like. Really? Yeah.

[00:29:40] Koji Steven Sakai: But crickets. But crickets actually provide more protein per square foot. And, like, it's better for you and it's healthier. You just put a little salt on it. I don't know what's.

[00:29:49] Cat Alvarado: I need moral support before I can eat some crickets. Okay. Um, my theory is that big cancer is behind and big pharma.

[00:29:57] Dwyane Perkins: Oh that's wild now. 

[00:29:59] Cat Alvarado: Are behind. Big cancer. Because here's the thing about broccoli. So remember how I said that there's like these chemicals in the vegetables that kind of give you inflammation. So specifically with broccoli it's something called sulforaphane. Sulforaphane. And it's a compound that forms when you chew or chop broccoli. And lab studies show that sulforaphane can trigger protective enzymes in cells that reduce inflammation and may help inhibit cancer cell growth while promoting the death of abnormal cells. So it's basically a cancer fighting food.

[00:30:38] Dwyane Perkins: In a lab. Sometimes you put these things on cancer and it wouldn't do that in your body. But in a petri dish it can sometimes kill the cancer.

[00:30:45] Cat Alvarado: Mhm.

[00:30:46] Koji Steven Sakai: So the cancer saying that the cancer. 

[00:30:49] Cat Alvarado: Big cancer.

[00:30:50] Koji Steven Sakai: Is making it.

[00:30:51] Cat Alvarado: So they don't want you to eat broccoli because.

[00:30:53] Dwyane Perkins: Big always wants you to. Early detection. You know like go get checked early detection. And people say things like I don't mean to cut you off, but people say fuck cancer. What does that mean? Who? Fuck cancer. You think you're hurting cancer's feelings? How about let's not get cancer?

[00:31:08] Cat Alvarado: Yeah, I think there's a lot of money to be sold giving people chemo. Um. So why? Why prevent the cancer when you can give people the cancer, it get them to eat more meat, which is actually associated with higher cancer rates. Get them to eat more meat. Get them to eat less broccoli. So then the cancer just flourishes. And you're not eating stuff that, like, diminishes it. It also has something called indole three carbinol. And that's another compound that research suggests may affect cancer related pathways. And this is actually true of for a few cruciferous vegetables. Um, so cabbage for example, there are cultures that eat more cabbage, more broccoli and such. And they have lower cancer rates. Um, and also okay, it says higher consumption of cruciferous vegetables, which broccoli, uh, is associated with reduced rates of colorectal, lung, prostate and breast cancers more specifically. Yeah. So there you go.

[00:32:08] Koji Steven Sakai: This episode has been brought to you by Big Cancer. We. We think you should eat all the meat.

[00:32:16] Dwyane Perkins: We kind of. We kind of know when we say big meat, we can be like. 

[00:32:19] Cat Alvarado: Beef industry. Yeah.

[00:32:20] Dwyane Perkins: Beef industry, cattle, all the chicken, whatever. Turkey. But who like big cancer is that doctors. Is that is that the pharmaceutical?

[00:32:29] Cat Alvarado: Yeah, possibly big pharma,

[00:32:30] Koji Steven Sakai: But. Well wait I thought Trump's going to give us 500% back on the on the medicine. Right. That's what he said. He's been saying it for like weeks 500 or 600%. We're gonna. 

[00:32:39] Dwyane Perkins: But whenever he says something that's outrageous, people say you shouldn't take him literally. Then sometimes you should take him literally.

[00:32:44] Koji Steven Sakai: I don't even understand what 500% discount on a medication was. I was like, wait, how would how would that even work?

[00:32:51] Cat Alvarado: They're gonna pay us to take it.

[00:32:54] Koji Steven Sakai: I was like, that'd be so crazy. I was like, I'm depressed. Give me like, give me like $500 pills. You know

[00:33:00] Cat Alvarado: now I'm not depressed anymore. You fixed it.

[00:33:03] Koji Steven Sakai: That'd be if he could do that, I take back all my bad thoughts about Trump. If he could pay us when we get a medication instead of we we paying medication.

[00:33:11] Cat Alvarado: Oh, that'd be so nice.

[00:33:13] Dwyane Perkins: Well, that's full blown communism. Let's do it.

[00:33:15] Cat Alvarado: I'm all about it. I'm all about it. Um, by the way, if you do want to eat broccoli to prevent any kind of cancer, make sure you just lightly steam it. Uh, don't boil it or microwave it, because that kills all the good stuff.

[00:33:27] Koji Steven Sakai: Here's the beef I have. Okay, I don't know what it is, but a beef. That's pretty funny. Sorry. Um, I don't know what it is.

[00:33:33] Cat Alvarado: Your broccoli beef.

[00:33:34] Koji Steven Sakai: What? It is about Caucasian folks, but they cook the shit out of vegetables. Like, to the point it's, like, soggy and tasteless and doesn't have any, like, I understand it's supposed. It's supposed to not be, like, soggy.

[00:33:45] Dwyane Perkins: It's a color of thing.

[00:33:46] Koji Steven Sakai: If. Is that what it is?

[00:33:48] Dwyane Perkins: No, no, no, no, what I'm saying is it's supposed to be a color thing, like the broccoli is a certain color. When you steam it, it gets dark green. Stop, stop right there. If you go past that, it's. If it loses its shape, then you're done.

[00:34:01] Cat Alvarado: I like it mushy. Okay.

[00:34:04] Koji Steven Sakai: It doesn't taste as good, though.

[00:34:06] Cat Alvarado: It doesn't,

[00:34:06] Dwyane Perkins: It doesn't. And you kill the enzymes.

[00:34:08] Koji Steven Sakai: Yeah. I mean, you kill all the. I mean, you might as well just eat, like, not good food then. I mean, if you're just gonna cook the shit.

[00:34:13] Dwyane Perkins: And by the way, like. Yeah, some of the, uh, audio books I've read, like, meat has no enzymes in it. That help helps it break itself down. So when you eat meat, the sort of enzymes you need to break it down have to come from plant stuff where plants have the enzymes they need. If you don't burn the hell out, you know, cook them, cook them away.

[00:34:31] Koji Steven Sakai: And if you need, if you need protein, just take sperm. That's what I always say.

[00:34:34] Dwyane Perkins: Right, right.

[00:34:35] Koji Steven Sakai: Especially Japanese sperm.

[00:34:36] Dwyane Perkins: Right? Right.

[00:34:38] Koji Steven Sakai: It's like it tastes like sushi.

[00:34:40] Cat Alvarado: You always make it weird.

[00:34:42] Koji Steven Sakai: It tastes like sushi. Added lots of. I mean, it's a protein shot.

[00:34:46] Dwyane Perkins: There was someone probably listening to this episode who was like, you know what? I will try sushi. And now they're like,

[00:34:52] Cat Alvarado: No gross sperm guy really turned me off to sushi.

[00:35:01] Koji Steven Sakai: I tried, I tried.

[00:35:02] Dwyane Perkins: Right.

[00:35:02] Koji Steven Sakai: Nobody believed me when I told them that.

[00:35:04] Cat Alvarado: You know, what I'm really into lately is apples with goat cheese.

[00:35:07] Dwyane Perkins: That sounds good.

[00:35:08] Cat Alvarado: It's pretty great.

[00:35:08] Dwyane Perkins: Goat cheese. A little salty because I like putting salt.

[00:35:10] Cat Alvarado: Yeah. It's salty. It's like a like a strawberry goat cheese on top of apples.

[00:35:15] Dwyane Perkins: That sounds like, um.

[00:35:16] Cat Alvarado: A little balsamic glaze on top.

[00:35:17] Dwyane Perkins: Like when you put figs and bacon. Uh, sounds like a similar kind of taste thing.

[00:35:23] Cat Alvarado: Or like Brie and pears.

[00:35:24] Dwyane Perkins: Yeah, yeah. Yes. Brie and pears. That's. 

[00:35:27] Cat Alvarado: Yum.

[00:35:28] Koji Steven Sakai: Bacon milkshakes from Carros.

[00:35:29] Cat Alvarado: Is that a thing?

[00:35:30] Koji Steven Sakai: Yeah.

[00:35:31] Dwyane Perkins: Wait, where's this? Because I think.

[00:35:32] Koji Steven Sakai: Carros.

[00:35:33] Cat Alvarado: It's like a Coco's, but.

[00:35:35] Koji Steven Sakai: It's like a 24 hour. Like.

[00:35:36] Cat Alvarado: It's like Denny's.

[00:35:37] Koji Steven Sakai: Yeah.

[00:35:38] Dwyane Perkins: Okay. Cause there's a place I drove by, but they were closed. That has some sort of great shake. I forget where it was now, but it was like I was going east.

[00:35:47] Koji Steven Sakai: But it's because it's salty and sweet, right? Right.

[00:35:50] Cat Alvarado: Like salted caramel latte is a gelato place in LA. That's like Italian. And they've got a good pretzel caramel thing.

[00:35:59] Koji Steven Sakai: Japanese sperm.

[00:36:01] Dwyane Perkins: Right?

[00:36:02] Koji Steven Sakai: Dude, I heard it was good, I don't know.

[00:36:05] Dwyane Perkins: Yeah, yeah yeah, yeah.

[00:36:08] Cat Alvarado: I'm gonna stick the gelato.

[00:36:11] Dwyane Perkins: How does it relate to the other sperm that you've tried?

[00:36:16] Cat Alvarado: You're a connoisseur. You're. You're a sperm sommelier. Is that. You must have taken a lot of hours for that certification.

[00:36:24] Koji Steven Sakai: Yeah, it's a lot of wrist work,

[00:36:26] Dwyane Perkins: Right? Right, right.

[00:36:27] Koji Steven Sakai: Yeah.

[00:36:27] Dwyane Perkins: This is this nut is very nut forward. I'm sorry.

[00:36:31] Cat Alvarado: All right. It's time for us to pick the unofficial official story. One that will answer the question once and for all.

[00:36:37] Koji Steven Sakai: So I think it's pretty easy. I think I like him, but I think it's cats.

[00:36:40] Cat Alvarado: Which do we go with?

[00:36:41] Dwyane Perkins: I think so too. I really like yours, but I like the way she upped the ante because like, big Meat would benefit from it. But people are gonna eat meat regardless. But big cancer, like if you if you just kept eating meat and you ate veggies, you might lower cancer rates. But if you like, go to mainly meat and no veggies.

[00:37:01] Koji Steven Sakai: Yeah. Well, and also I was just thinking that it's like, you know, we could build the, jeans that never that you never have to buy another jeans. But then the problem is the jeans company go under. Go under.

[00:37:10] Dwyane Perkins: Absolutely.

[00:37:11] Dwyane Perkins: So in the same way like pharmaceuticals could build or could maybe create something that would get rid of cancer, but then it would destroy.

[00:37:18] Dwyane Perkins: Look at look at the phone company.

[00:37:20] Cat Alvarado: Yeah. There's entire like hospitals that are just cancer hospitals.

[00:37:23] Dwyane Perkins: And like we had phones and they kept being landlines and it kept being, you know, innovations, innovations. And it got to a point where this is the phone, your home phone. And you, you got a phone in 1960 and it was the same exact phone you had in like 1990. It worked. You picked it up, you talked. But now cell phones, every two years you got to get another one.

[00:37:44] Cat Alvarado: And they're like ten times as expensive as a phone ever was.

[00:37:47] Dwyane Perkins: Yeah. You know, I think that about like, every industry is like that. Like, you know, you get addicted to cigarettes, you spend a fortune, you want to get off it, you spend a fortune, you get a tattoo, you want to get the tattoo removed. They get you going both ways, in and out. So that keeps the stream of What? Customers?

[00:38:04] Koji Steven Sakai: What, are you gonna vote? Are you voting?

[00:38:05] Cat Alvarado: I'm voting for my own.

[00:38:06] Dwyane Perkins: Sweep.

[00:38:07] Cat Alvarado: I'm so sweet. Sweet.

[00:38:09] Dwyane Perkins: Yes, yes.

[00:38:10] Cat Alvarado: I feel like that rarely happens.

[00:38:11] Dwyane Perkins: But it's also a really sad thing. And my buddy shout out to my homeboy Pat. Um, Pat, I know, um, I was friends with his wife, Yvette. And then we met Pat. And me and Pat are cool. He works in the golf industry. The reason why I say that is the last time I saw Pat, he had lost a lot of weight. He was looking good. And, you know, he didn't try to, like, convert me. He wasn't trying to be like a missionary type thing, but he had gone, um, vegan. Not not vegan, but vegetarian, maybe. And he said he went to the doctor, and the doctor was like, what are you doing differently? And he was like. And he was like, oh, I'm eating good. He was like, no, it's not bullshitting me. What are you doing? And he told him I became a vegetarian. And his doctor said, if more people did that, I'd be out of business.

[00:38:49] Cat Alvarado: And that is the official story. After this break, we'll look into other food theories.

[00:38:57] Koji Steven Sakai: Here's some more food related conspiracies. Tell me if you buy them or sell them. All right. The first one, Katie Holmes, has a secret entrance into Whole Foods after her split from Tom cruise. Katie Holmes made a low key move to Chelsea in Manhattan, into an apartment perched right above a Whole Foods. And get this the building had a back staircase that led straight down into the store's basement level. So the Dawson's Creek star could come and go without drawing a crowd. Pretty clever right? Buy or sell.

[00:39:21] Cat Alvarado: I buy it.

[00:39:22] Dwyane Perkins: Sell

[00:39:24] Cat Alvarado: no.

[00:39:24] Dwyane Perkins: Completely sell. Because the internet exists. If there was no internet. Yeah, but, you know, she can send someone. She might even.

[00:39:32] Cat Alvarado: Have an assistant.

[00:39:33] Dwyane Perkins: But she doesn't go there. You know, maybe she lives there so her assistant can run back and forth, but, yeah, like, regular people don't even go to the supermarket anymore.

[00:39:40] Cat Alvarado: Okay, fine, fine, fine, I sell it, I sell it, I sell it.

[00:39:43] Koji Steven Sakai: I sell it as well. All right. Carrots do not help you see better. I grew up thinking carrots improved eyesight. But that myth was a World War Two propaganda. The British used it to hide their new radar tech from Germany. Buy or sell?

[00:39:54] Dwyane Perkins: I sell because I think it's a half truth. I think carrots naturally are not that good for your eyes, but I think they also bred carrots that would have more of a carotene or whatever it is that helps your eyes. So I think it's kind of half true. So I'm going to sell it.

[00:40:09] Cat Alvarado: Yeah, I'm gonna sell it too because it's the vitamin that helps your eyes, not the carrot itself. It's like what it has in it.

[00:40:16] Koji Steven Sakai: All right. Last one, the secret ingredient of a McNugget. Mcnugget a McDonald's faced backlash when a viral video claimed their nuggets were made from a pink slime. They responded with a video showing the real process. No slime involved. The myth still lingers, but the McNuggets reputation has improved since 2014. Buy or sell.

[00:40:35] Cat Alvarado: So we're saying that it is not slime.

[00:40:37] Koji Steven Sakai: Or yeah.

[00:40:38] Dwyane Perkins: No, no, that buy means it is slime.

[00:40:41] Koji Steven Sakai: Yeah. Buys slime sells that. It's not slime, it's chicken or some version of chicken.

[00:40:45] Dwyane Perkins: Um.

[00:40:46] Koji Steven Sakai: They do taste good. If it is slime, it does taste good.

[00:40:49] Dwyane Perkins: I would buy it only because since McDonald's came out, you know, like they started with this system and then they, they just keep trying to find ways to do it quicker, quicker, better, better. And it's nothing to have like two processes. Like another video you could show like see doesn't mean you don't have a pink slime factory somewhere as well. So. So I'm gonna buy this one.

[00:41:11] Cat Alvarado: I'm gonna I'm gonna buy it too. I think they're in cahoots with Big Pharma. Sorry. Big cancer. Well.

[00:41:17] Dwyane Perkins: Well, like a big cancer is more jarring. It's like, fuck, I gotta eat some veggies.

[00:41:21] Koji Steven Sakai: What's crazy about McDonald's now is that, I mean, with the affordability thing that's going on, I mean, it's I don't know if you guys have been I, me and my son are going to tournaments and traveling.

[00:41:30] Dwyane Perkins: I go I go occasionally.

[00:41:31] Koji Steven Sakai: But like it's way more expensive than I mean, everything's more expensive, but like Chipotle is expensive. Mcdonald's is expensive.

[00:41:36] Dwyane Perkins: I did a video about that. I was in Europe recently, and what I found was I could go to like some mom and pop little cafe and get like a, like a nice panini, a panini, a nice size. They'd be like €4, 4 or €5, nice taste. Great. You know? And then I'd go to McDonald's and a Big Mac would be like €10. And it was just like, why are people going to the McDonald's then? I mean.

[00:41:59] Cat Alvarado: The whole point of it is that it's cheap,

[00:42:01] Dwyane Perkins: Right? Exactly.

[00:42:02] Koji Steven Sakai: Like Chipotle is like 20 bucks. I mean, it's like, you know, they're like Chipotle. These places are not cheap anymore. Which is crazy. It's not good for you and it's not.

[00:42:09] Dwyane Perkins: Then what are we doing?

[00:42:10] Koji Steven Sakai: What are we doing?

[00:42:11] Dwyane Perkins: Right, right.

[00:42:12] Koji Steven Sakai: But it's like I remember I was at Porto's, which is whatever. What? You could think about it.

[00:42:15] Dwyane Perkins: Porto's is a Cuban la place. They have Cubano sandwiches and cakes and pies and everything.

[00:42:20] Koji Steven Sakai: And we spent like, $50 for, like, two people and. And yet I felt like it was better than, like, like we had just gone to McDonald's with, like, me and him, and we probably.

[00:42:29] Dwyane Perkins: Spent 30.

[00:42:30] Koji Steven Sakai: We spent like. Yeah, we spent like almost like $40 there. And I was like, he's 14. So he's eating a lot. But I was like, if I had to spend ten more dollars, I'd rather just be at Porto's, you know, like we just had a lot.

[00:42:39] Dwyane Perkins: Imagine if it's less. Yeah. That's crazy.

[00:42:41] Cat Alvarado: Like a year ago, I went to Carl's Jr and I paid $15 for three chicken tenders, and I was like, never again in my life will I get Carl's Jr. Thank you to all of you. We truly appreciate your support and enthusiasm for our quirky, mysterious, and fun filled journey. Your curiosity and engagement make this podcast a joy to create. Stay tuned for more intriguing stories and remember to share, subscribe and leave a review. Until next time, keep wondering and stay unofficially official.

[00:43:11] Dwyane Perkins: Oh my God. In the next episode we will be asking the question was the 2024 Super Bowl scripted? I love this.

[00:43:18] Koji Steven Sakai: This was one with Taylor Swift visiting, right?

[00:43:20] Dwyane Perkins: Yeah, because let me tell you something. All sports are scripted. That's what you need to get through your head.

[00:43:25] Koji Steven Sakai: Yeah.

[00:43:25] Cat Alvarado: Why? Why? Because of big cancer.

[00:43:29] Koji Steven Sakai: That's actually.

[00:43:30] Dwyane Perkins: That's big money. Yeah. Prop bets. Yeah.

[00:43:31] Koji Steven Sakai: I mean, I think the prop bets have ruined sports, actually.

[00:43:34] Dwyane Perkins: People can't let anything be even if they, they, they're going to win no matter what. Some people just have their control things. And, uh, so it'll be interesting to talk about. But sports have taken a turn. I'm, I'm. That should be my New Year's resolution is to give up sports. So I have a lot of free time to do other things.

[00:43:52] Koji Steven Sakai: Yeah, we'll get into it. All right. Talk to you guys later.

[00:43:54] Cat Alvarado: Bye.

[00:43:54] Koji Steven Sakai: Take care.

[00:43:55] Dwyane Perkins: Bye. 

[00:43:55] Koji Steven Sakai: Bye.