S5E2 Stargates with Comedian Jonesy

Jonesy: [00:00:00] If you were a Jedi or a Sith, what color would your lightsaber be? And why would you stick to the classics like blue or red? Or go for something rare like black? The dark saber or yellow wielded by the Jedi Temple guards?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:00:17] What kind of accent was that?

Jonesy: [00:00:18] I was just trying to get into the.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:00:20] That was great.

Jonesy: [00:00:21] The Jedi. I thought that was a Jedi accent.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:00:23] Jedi accent? Okay.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:00:24] By the way, uh, well, orange is my favorite color, but I don't know if I'd want to kill people with my favorite color, but I'd want it to be orange just in chill zone. Like when it was like a peacekeeping mission. It would just be orange, like, you know, like right now. Right now. But, um, but when I was going to really do damage, I think I'd have to go black only because, like, just in case it's nighttime, people can't see it.

Jonesy: [00:00:45] But that's the cool part about them, right, is that you can they can see it? That's all they can see? But you don't want to see your cool sword moves being seen at night.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:00:53] No, no, no, I mean, I don't want it to be a fair fight. I just want it to be like.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:00:57] Well, you're you're the Jedi. Jedi powers.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:00:59] But if I'm a Jedi, I'm only fighting someone who's not a good person. And so they don't need a fair fight. They just need my invisible lightsaber all up in them.

Jonesy: [00:01:08] All right.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:01:08] What about you, Jonesy?

Jonesy: [00:01:10] Well, I'm going green, of course.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:01:11] Why?

Jonesy: [00:01:12] Because I bleed green, baby. Celtics. Celtics.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:01:15] Green is the color of geniuses as well.

Jonesy: [00:01:16] But this green is a good color for a lightsaber, right?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:01:19] It's like green is not bad. What color green or green is? There's a lot of. There are a lot of green.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:01:22] Wasn't green? Um, the, uh, from return of the Jedi with, uh, Luke, I think it was green.

Jonesy: [00:01:28] Was that green?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:01:29] Yeah.

Jonesy: [00:01:30] Was it yellow?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:01:31] No, it was green, I think.

Jonesy: [00:01:32] Green.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:01:32] I mean, I wish there was a way.

Jonesy: [00:01:34] Vader's was, like pink or red.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:01:36] I wish there was a way.

Jonesy: [00:01:37] Yeah, I think. Wasn't his blue invaders was red.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:01:41] He's talking about in return of the Jedi, though?

Jonesy: [00:01:43] Oh, okay.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:01:44] I'm not sure.

Jonesy: [00:01:45] Yeah, I don't. Well, we could.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:01:47] What color? Green. Like if we went to lock it in. Not to be a chick about this. You know,

Jonesy: [00:01:51] I don't know, I guess. We go, we go, uh, you know, key lime pie green.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:01:55] Interesting. That's not, like, a daunting, sort of scary color. But. 

Jonesy: [00:01:59] Yeah. And it might give me an advantage because someone would inevitably someone would go, oh my God, what a pretty what a pretty sabre. And I go, ah, I gotcha.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:02:07] Yeah.

Jonesy: [00:02:07] Don't, don't. My key lime pie. Green sabre.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:02:10] Don't write in about what I'm about to say. Just pretend it's 1995. It'd be great for, like, a fat person because they'd be, like, key lime pie, and you just.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:02:21] Oh, it was. It was Luke Skywalker.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:02:23] Not a fat person. A hungry person, let's say. 

Jonesy: [00:02:26] Yoda had a.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:02:26] Yoda and Luke had a.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:02:28] Yoda. Nice, nice, nice. I like green.

Jonesy: [00:02:30] Green means go.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:02:30] How about you, Koji?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:02:31] Mine would be red because it's my favorite color. And so I guess I'd be Sith.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:02:35] Interesting.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:02:35] I think I think it's just cool.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:02:37] That's a bomb. La hat you got on to. He has. Koji has on a LA Dodgers hat. Except they're not. It's not Dodger blue. It's more like Yankee blue.

Jonesy: [00:02:44] It's Red Sox.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:02:45] And it's Red Sox red it's Red Sox.

Jonesy: [00:02:47] It looked like I thought it was a Red Sox hat when I got.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:02:49] The Red Sox colors.

Jonesy: [00:02:50] Yeah, it really does.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:02:50] That's dope because I don't like the the I don't like the Dodgers color. I don't like.

Jonesy: [00:02:55] Don't like that pretty blue.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:02:56] Royal blue. It's okay. I can't, you can't. You can wait to the game. But you can't rock it just on day to day to day. You know what I mean?

Jonesy: [00:03:02] This is true

Dwayne Perkins: [00:03:02] in my opinion.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:03:03] I wear it every day.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:03:04] Yeah, but you have this one on now because you came to your senses. Yes. Well, welcome to the unofficial official Story podcast. This is episode two of season five. That's crazy. Join us as we dive into the quirky, mysterious and bizarre. From unsolved mysteries to peculiar pop culture phenomena, we uncover hidden stories and explore alternate realities. My name is Dwayne Stargazer.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:03:31] That was good. I'm Koji, the Sith. Darklord.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:03:35] Oh, nice. Wow.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:03:36] That plays into what I just talked about.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:03:38] Yeah, yeah. I know.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:03:38] Yeah.

Jonesy: [00:03:39] And I'm Jonesy the Jedi.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:03:41] Jonesy. Jonesy. The alliteration. Nice.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:03:43] Nice. Good job.

Jonesy: [00:03:44] Not bad. It just worked out that way.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:03:45] On May 22nd, 1977, Star Wars, the original one came out. And to honor this anniversary, we're asking the very important question. Are there really stargates on Earth. However, before we get to that, let's introduce our guests. Our guest host as well. Comedian. Podcaster. Friend of the pod. My man. 40 grand, actually, Jonesy.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:04:05] And we're not going to read the bio for Jonesy because he's been on the show so many times. How many times? How many times have you been on the show?

Jonesy: [00:04:10] I think this is my fourth time.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:04:12] Fourth time?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:04:13] Yeah. You're on my favorite episode, the w. The the. 

Jonesy: [00:04:15] D.B. Cooper

Dwayne Perkins: [00:04:16] D.B. Cooper. Yeah.

Jonesy: [00:04:17] I love that.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:04:18] And the vanishing hotel.

Jonesy: [00:04:19] The vanishing hotel. That was a fun one, too. You know, the D.B. Cooper keeps coming up in my life, man. I don't know if it was always in my life. And then since I've done the podcast, now, I notice it. But, man, D.B. Cooper, still, people talk about it. Still so wild. Man.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:04:31] D.b. Cooper is like when you drive a Cooper. I didn't like you realize. Oh, there's so many on the road. Anyway. That's right.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:04:39] There's a phenomenon. I forget the name of it. It's like the Bernstein something or other phenomena. But the.

Jonesy: [00:04:44] Bernstein bears. Yeah, I know that one.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:04:45] It's basically where you like, if you buy, like, a red car, you'll notice, like, you'll keep noticing red cars and you'll be like, why didn't I notice so many red cars? You know.

Jonesy: [00:04:53] I think that is true. That is totally true.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:04:54] Yeah.

Jonesy: [00:04:55] So maybe that's what's going on. But yeah. Shout out to D.B. Cooper.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:04:57] And how have you been? How have you been?

Jonesy: [00:04:58] Everything's great. Yeah. Career's going slow, but steady. Uh, sports is fun.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:05:04] And we were just hitting in the cage.

Jonesy: [00:05:05] Yeah, we were just hitting.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:05:06] Oh, is that right? You guys were hitting?

Jonesy: [00:05:08] Yeah, we were.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:05:08] Doing a little bit earlier.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:05:09] I can't I can't hit a baseball to save my life.

Jonesy: [00:05:11] You could have hit it if you slowed softball.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:05:13] Maybe. Yeah, maybe. 

Jonesy: [00:05:14] You could hit the soft toss or something. Maybe he's got this machine, though in there. He's got a pitching machine, a legit pitching.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:05:19] How fast can it go?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:05:20] It can go like 80, 90. But we weren't throwing that.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:05:23] That would terrify me. Even 70. I would, I would, I wouldn't, I would need to save my life.

Jonesy: [00:05:28] 70s hard I can't even hit 70. 70 is fast.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:05:31] It's actually easier to hit faster because you just throw the bat at it. There's less that you have to.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:05:34] But you got to decide when it's like way away from you, right?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:05:39] Like, yeah.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:05:40] That's the hard part.

Jonesy: [00:05:40] You're like, leg up before the ball's even coming, getting ready to get to hit this thing. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:05:45] At 90. You're swinging when the ball's coming.

Jonesy: [00:05:47] Yeah, yeah. You're not. There's no time for this. It's so hard to hit a fast. I mean, I just can't understand it. I could barely hit. What's 55? And I'm like, I'm always been a decent hitter.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:05:56] And how's your podcast going?

Jonesy: [00:05:57] Podcast is going good. I'm about to hit 2000 episodes.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:06:00] 2000.

Jonesy: [00:06:01] 2000, 2000 episodes.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:06:03] That's absolutely amazing.

Jonesy: [00:06:04] I'm. I'm either the most productive person or the craziest person.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:06:08] Right, right.

Jonesy: [00:06:09] Time podcast five days a week for six years or however long this has been.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:06:13] How long is it again? Like what.

Jonesy: [00:06:15] 20 minutes usually.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:06:17] What's your favorite recent story?

Jonesy: [00:06:19] Favorite recent?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:06:20] Why don't you. Why don't you say what is the name of it is.

Jonesy: [00:06:22] Oh, weird AF news. Here's a story that I've been. It's been sticking with me. You're gonna love this. There was a guy in a band who wanted to steal his bandmates girlfriend. This was his plan to do it. He snuck estrogen in the man's energy drinks and tried to turn him into a woman.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:06:39] That's crazy.

Jonesy: [00:06:39] That was his plan.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:06:40] So did it work? Even a little?

Jonesy: [00:06:42] It drove him crazy.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:06:43] That.

Jonesy: [00:06:44] The estrogen. Yeah. He started. He couldn't sleep at night.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:06:46] He started saying it's not what you said. It's your tone.

Jonesy: [00:06:53] Yes.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:06:57] Did he grow breasts or something?

Jonesy: [00:06:59] No. None of that happened. No, no. He just went crazy. Personality changed. He was irritable all the time. Couldn't sleep. Had health started having health problems?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:07:07] Wow.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:07:07] Did he like.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:07:08] That's a serious crime.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:07:09] Did he start watching the Hallmark Channel?

Jonesy: [00:07:11] Poisoning?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:07:11] Did he watch the Hallmark Channel more or.

Jonesy: [00:07:13] A little bit.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:07:13] I'm sorry. I'm gonna keep going with this. But that is such a, like. It's such a long con.

Jonesy: [00:07:20] Like it's such a long con. Isn't that crazy?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:07:22] Just all you gotta do. Not that I would ever do it. I would never do that. But I would also never do this other thing. But it's way more effective is just study them. You notice what she doesn't like about him. Point that out. Keep bringing it up. It almost makes it seem like you wanted to bone the guy. Like, what was your real plan? You know what I mean?

Jonesy: [00:07:38] And if you're going long, con like, you don't have to break the law.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:07:42] Right? Right. Exactly.

Jonesy: [00:07:43] You can take a course. How do I get what I want? Being. You know, I'm sure there's a guru out there that could teach you how to be steal that girlfriend.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:07:51] You can hook him up. You can hook the. Unless he's, like, super faithful on some Tom Hanks. He's in a band. You just get a hot chick to.

Jonesy: [00:07:59] That's right.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:08:00] Take to even if they don't hook up, just be in an amorous kind of hug. Take a picture, show it to the girl. I tried to stop him.

Jonesy: [00:08:07] She's like, I told you, you went on the road and this would happen. Yeah. You know, those road gigs and then, you know, you could totally set that up.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:08:14] There's so many things other than poison. A guy with estrogen.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:08:17] I'm glad you thought of these other methods.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:08:18] No, I just thought of them just now. These happened.

Jonesy: [00:08:23] These are rudimentary. Anyone could have thought.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:08:25] Wait. This book isn't a list of reasons to take a guy's girl. What are you talking about? Well, it's time to get to the bottom of this once and for all.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:08:32] All right, let's do it.

Jonesy: [00:08:33] Stargate's, inspired by science fiction, are believed by some to be real portals linking dimensions, times, and locations rooted in ancient myths and spiritual traditions. They hold both intrigue and metaphysical significance.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:08:47] Targets are imagined as energy portals, enabling instant transport across space and time. Often linked to Earth's energy hotspots and ancient sacred sites. Of course they are. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:08:55] Right. Some of the places that have been named as possible locations of stargates include Giza Plateau in Egypt, Machu Picchu in Peru, Stonehenge in England, Sedona, Arizona. I wouldn't have guessed that, but I did feel something when I was there. I felt like this soccer mom energy. Anyway, uh, Mount Shasta in California. Bermuda triangle. Okay. And the Atlantic Ocean, uh, Uluru, Ayers Rock, Australia and the Temple Mount. Jerusalem. And I've been to. I don't know if I've been there, but I've been to the holiest of holies and.

Jonesy: [00:09:27] The holies of holies.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:09:28] In Jerusalem. There's this little area. Oh, I told me this is the holiest of the holy. And they were like, do you feel it?

Jonesy: [00:09:33] Did you feel it?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:09:34] Yeah, yeah.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:09:39] You should kill him.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:09:40] Right?

Jonesy: [00:09:42] Did you feel anything in Sedona? The vortexes, they say vortex.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:09:44] I felt a lot in Sedona, actually, though.

Jonesy: [00:09:46] Seadona is beautiful. Yeah. It's really.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:09:48] I was with my mom, too.

Jonesy: [00:09:49] So that's a beautiful beauty.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:09:50] I was watching a documentary called Transformers, and they used the Stonehenge as a place to transport to Cybertron.

Jonesy: [00:09:57] Oh. Oh. They used that. It's a direct. It's a direct wormhole. Cybertruck.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:10:04] Cybertron.

Jonesy: [00:10:04] Cybertron?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:10:05] Yeah. Which is the home planet of.

Jonesy: [00:10:07] My goodness.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:10:08] Decepticons!

Dwayne Perkins: [00:10:08] Right, right.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:10:09] And the. 

Jonesy: [00:10:09] Autobots.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:10:10] Autobots.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:10:10] What's that cube called? That energy cube thingy. 

Jonesy: [00:10:13] From Hellraiser?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:10:14] No. From Transformers.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:10:15] Transformer.

Jonesy: [00:10:16] I don't remember.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:10:17] I don't remember,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:10:17] Okay, okay.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:10:18] We'll have to watch that documentary again, right?

Jonesy: [00:10:20] But apparently, the best evidence of a Stargate, at least from our research, is an ancient chart like carving found in Anuradhapura in Sri Lanka. The mysterious chart, distinct from other Anuradhapura era carvings, features seven concentric circles, geometric patterns, and marine animals such as fish, turtles and seahorses.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:10:42] You know, it's interesting. I'm going to keep reading, but when we were talking about how many episodes you've done, and you said 20 minutes a day, like five days a week. I thought, man, Jonesy could have learned a second language, you know? And then, like, you're reading this, uh, I don't know if they speak in Sri Lanka, Sri Lanka or whatever. You could have learned that, like, you could have, like, you know what I mean?

Jonesy: [00:11:00] Yeah, I totally could have.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:11:01] I'm glad you did. Because you wouldn't have known about the estrogen thing, though.

Jonesy: [00:11:05] Which is helpful.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:11:06] Right?

Jonesy: [00:11:08] That's a way better story, right?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:11:09] Some link, uh, Sri Lanka's Anuradhapura stargate to Abu Ghurab in Egypt and La Puerta de Hayu Marka in Peru, citing similar symbols and proximity to water. Like just a web of reservoir as evidence supporting extraterrestrial gold processing theories.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:11:28] That was terrible.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:11:30] Yeah. Let me read it again.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:11:31] No. It's fine.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:11:32] I mean.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:11:34] It was just the more like the harder you were having, like with the other words than, like the regular words. You're.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:11:40] Yeah, yeah. I started to doubt myself in every way possible. Yeah. We'll link a video to that. We think you should all watch to see the chart for yourself.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:11:52] Did you guys watch it?

Jonesy: [00:11:53] I watched it,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:11:53] I watched it, yeah, yeah. I mean, I have to watch other videos. I thought that guy wasn't great, but the actual picture itself is pretty amazing. Just because it's a perfect circle, two perfect concentric circles, and it just seemed like completely not random. And it's something that they haven't deciphered. It does look a little bit like circuitry, but then the fish on the outside and it's six feet. It's something it's it's who knows exactly. But I was impressed by it, given its age and how perfect the circles were like. It seemed like something older like that couldn't be done at the time in terms of how accurate and precise it was.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:12:29] What about you? Did you watch it?

Jonesy: [00:12:30] Yeah.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:12:31] What did you think of it?

Jonesy: [00:12:32] Looks like similar to other stuff I've seen in Egypt and South America. There's stuff like that all over the world. I wouldn't I wouldn't hang my hook on that.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:12:39] That's not from aliens.

Jonesy: [00:12:40] This is the authentic Stargate from blah blah, blah, you know? And then as far as, like the age of it, I mean, they don't really know. You can't date Stone.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:12:46] 1 billion years.

Jonesy: [00:12:47] Like it's 6500 years old. Like you don't know that you can't date Stone, you can't date a stone carving.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:12:51] It does look like these other things and these other countries. Yeah.

Jonesy: [00:12:55] Oh, yeah. There's links to all of these things. You find the same motifs in South America as you do in Egypt, as you do in, uh, in Europe as well.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:13:04] And there's, there's a thing where, you know, if multiple people at different spots in the world come up with the same thing at the same time, like geometry or, you know, other things. So like, for example, one of the things I always point to is dragons? There's, you know, Chinese dragons or Scottish dragons. Dragons with Mayan culture and Africa there's dragons. So like, I mean, obviously dragons didn't exist as far as I know, but yet all of these cultures were able to come up with this idea of this giant dragon that flies.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:13:29] Right?

Jonesy: [00:13:30] It started as a winged serpent. And so, like in Mexico, they call it, it was a winged serpent. The Mayans worshipped a winged serpent. And. But that you can you can see it's related to dragons. Same. Same thing.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:13:40] Yeah.

Jonesy: [00:13:40] It goes back So long and you find that everywhere. You find it.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:13:43] So either something, there was some common thing that they all witnessed or they were just all, like sitting around, like, what would be the best way to kill those motherfuckers over there? Oh, if we had something that flew and shot fire at them, you know. So. But I think it's more something that they either some kind of a bird or something that.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:14:00] Yeah. Well, even like in screenwriting, there's a, like, one of the things I'm always really thinking about when I, when I think of an idea is I don't want to say it too much, because the more I say it, I feel like somebody else is gonna think about it somewhere else.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:14:12] Put it into the universe.

Jonesy: [00:14:13] You think the power, you lose the power.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:14:15] Not that I lose the power, but that more and more people will will come up with that same idea.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:14:19] As soon as you think it, it's. And the more you say it, you're putting it into the universe. You're on the clock. As soon as you think it, it's like a joke. As soon as you think of it, you're on the clock to say it. And then if you don't say it, you hear someone else do something similar and you're like, damn, I thought of that like two years ago or whatever the case.

Jonesy: [00:14:36] Now, an important question we should be asking is, are stargates theoretically possible now wormholes are theoretical space time passages linking distant points or universes, inspiring the fictional concepts of stargates and portals, which are depicted differently.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:14:51] So the answer is maybe.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:14:53] Maybe. Yeah.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:14:56] When I was researching stargates, I found two other references. The first was Stargate LLC, an American I joint venture, which is scary.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:15:02] Super scary.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:15:03] Yeah. And maybe we could do a show about that in the future. And the second is the Stargate Project, a clandestine project within the US Army from 1977, which I did not know. And it's weird that Star Wars was 1977 and Stargate was 1977.

Jonesy: [00:15:15] I'm very familiar about that Stargate project. I've listened to tons of podcasts featuring like, uh, Ingo Swann and Russell Targ. These are guys that are involved in this, in this project and the sort of remote viewing that was being done. It's real. It was absolutely real. And there are still people that that are doing this and teaching it. You can take remote viewing courses and this stuff is completely real. What they were doing. Fascinating stuff. Project Stargate was a Cold War era CIA program inspired by fears that the Soviets were developing mind based espionage tools such as ESP and remote viewing. Launched in the 1970s, the project explored telepathy, future prediction, and the ability to see distant or hidden locations. Early experiments included psychic Uri Geller, whose purported abilities were later debunked, though funding continued into the 1980s. Success stories like Rosemary Smith pinpointing a downed Soviet aircraft kept interest alive despite mixed results.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:16:16] By the 1990s, skepticism grew and a review found no conclusive evidence to support its methods, leading to the program's cancellation in 1995. Declassified in 2017, Stargate remains a fascinating chapter in Cold War history and continues to influence modern beliefs in psychics and spiritual energy. And have you guys seen the movie Stargate?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:16:33] Maybe, but I was just rewatching it. I haven't finished it. It looks good. I'm. I'm excited because I know about the show, but I'm gonna, like, do a deep dive and just watch the movie, the shows. So there's so much content there.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:16:46] And Jonesy you just saw that, right?

Jonesy: [00:16:48] I just rewatched Stargate. Yeah, from the early 80s, I believe it's from the early 80s. The movie with Kurt Russell

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:16:53] Early 80s.

Jonesy: [00:16:53] I believe, was early 80s.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:16:54] Oh, really?

Jonesy: [00:16:54] Yeah, it's Kurt Russell era.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:16:56] Okay.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:16:56] Yeah, because he's the Army guy.

Jonesy: [00:16:58] Yeah, he's the he's the stoic army guy.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:17:00] And what happens in it?

Jonesy: [00:17:01] Well, they find this. They find this buried gate in Egypt, and, um, the military sets it up and they realize that you can, um, if you've solved some symbols that are around there, I forget how they they they solve these riddle that was around the rim of it. Using, uh, the other main character.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:17:18] The guy from 24.

Jonesy: [00:17:19] Yeah. What's that actor's name?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:17:21] Sutherland.

Jonesy: [00:17:21] He's. No, he's he's one of the brat packs. Remember, he's a brat pack from the early.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:17:26] From the 24th of the show. 24.

Jonesy: [00:17:28] What is his name?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:17:28] That he's also. Maybe. Was he an equalizer? I know his name. Uh, Koji is going to look it up in. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:17:33] Denzel Washington.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:17:34] No no no.

Jonesy: [00:17:35] No no no no.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:17:36] It's, uh. Yeah. He's been. He's a brat.

Jonesy: [00:17:38] He's a brat pack.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:17:38] Brat pack?

Jonesy: [00:17:39] Yeah. Not one of the main ones, but like, on the.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:17:41] Well, he's pretty solid.

Jonesy: [00:17:42] Yeah, yeah.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:17:42] Yeah, he's, um. I think he's a genius, is what I remember.

Jonesy: [00:17:45] He's like the blonde, the good looking blonde one with the shaggy hair.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:17:48] It's.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:17:49] Uh. It came out in 1994, by the way. Guys.

Jonesy: [00:17:51] Did it?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:17:51] Yeah.

Jonesy: [00:17:51] Oh, I felt like I was watching an 80s movie.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:17:53] Are you sure?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:17:54] Yeah,

Jonesy: [00:17:54] It was pretty.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:17:55] It was when I was in high school. James Spader.

Jonesy: [00:17:57] James Spader?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:17:57] Yeah. There we go.

Jonesy: [00:17:58] James Spader. Yeah. Brat pack.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:18:00] Yeah, yeah.

Jonesy: [00:18:00] Yeah, James Spader plays the Egyptian. Um, he's.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:18:03] Like the nerd dude. Yeah.

Jonesy: [00:18:04] And he has to, uh, he has to translate the hieroglyphics, and they open up a portal and they go over there, and they. They're in another world, and there's creatures, and they kind of seem like it's got alien vibes. It's got alien stuff going on. It's really, really cool. I was gonna say, though, this is kind of bullshit here, right? Like.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:18:23] What's that?

Jonesy: [00:18:24] Well, okay. Look, it so it says here skepticism grew by the 90s, and they've found no conclusive evidence to support this method, bro.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:18:32] Talk about that.

Jonesy: [00:18:33] It started in the 70s. It took them 20 years. That skepticism. No, it was working. They had tons and tons they had. If it wasn't working, it's not going to last two decades. You're out of your mind.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:18:43] But here's the thing.

Jonesy: [00:18:43] Throwing money at something.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:18:45] Here's the thing.

Jonesy: [00:18:45] No, no, no. I listen to the podcast of the people that did it. This stuff is real, man.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:18:49] But listen, I'm. 

Jonesy: [00:18:50] Completely real.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:18:51] I don't doubt it's real. The question is, could they harness it? Right? So there's two options. One is they completely did. And then they just act like they didn't, which I would do, right? You wouldn't want people to know you have this great power. But the other thing is that somebody is in charge of this program, right. So who do you think they're giving the Stargate program to, right? You already fucked up some other program. You know, like they kicked you off the MKUltra. They kicked you off this one, you know, the star, the missile system program. Then they're like, you know what, man? You're on Stargate. And if you mess this one up, you're out of here. So now you got to fudge the numbers, or you lose your funding and you lose your job. So you're standing there and they're showing like they got cards and they're like, which one is the cat? And you're standing behind and you're like, oh.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:19:42] It's like Ghostbusters and ghostbusters,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:19:43] Right? Right, right. Exactly. So I see it both ways that whenever they say they, they dismantled it, I'm like, did they? But also I could see why it lasted so long as, you know, someone that was somebody's baby. It's like we were talking sports earlier. You know, these GMs, if you take a risk or you if they draft two quarterbacks and one was in the first round and the other one was in the seventh round or fifth round or whatever, the one in the first round is going to get so many more opportunities because the GM doesn't want to look bad.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:20:10] 49 Niners.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:20:11] Yeah, they had to finally go to Brock Purdy and it was like we wasted a pick if this was our guy. Some guys don't want to be wrong. So they'd rather do something for two decades instead of being wrong.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:20:20] I mean, I even tell people the only reason Austin Reeves started playing for the Lakers was because we were so bad with Russell Westbrook. We were so bad that they're like, why don't we just start the guy that we didn't that wasn't drafted, you know, like if they were like an like a number one seed, would the undrafted rookie play? Probably not. You know, like he wouldn't play. So it makes sense.

Jonesy: [00:20:38] But you could just go watch the Russell Targ presentation man. Your mind will be blown.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:20:43] But I believe you that like you know, who knows if it was successful or not. They're gonna say it wasn't, but who knows.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:20:48] Yeah. I mean, they could still be doing the project.

Jonesy: [00:20:50] There's several of the guys you can hear on podcast to this day. They talk about it. It's all like, all these guys aren't lying.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:20:56] It's every spy movie you've ever seen in your life. You know what I mean? Like, tell me about watershed. How do you know about watershed? I know it was experimental. Yeah, and it was, uh, it was shut down 20 years ago. Unless it wasn't. You know what I mean? So. Well, it's time to put on our thinking caps, are Stargate real. When we return, we'll settle this one once and for all and figure out what really maybe happened. Now that we've reviewed the evidence, let's give our theories.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:21:29] Do you want to go first?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:21:29] Well, it's it's crazy because, you know, you say that wormholes exist or they can exist. And I think the thing to realize is that as human beings, we sometimes lose the ability to do something. It's like that computer they found. It's like an analog computer they found in the.

Jonesy: [00:21:46] Antikythera device,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:21:47] A shipwreck.

Jonesy: [00:21:48] Yeah. An Antikythera device.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:21:49] Was like an analog computer from.

Jonesy: [00:21:52] 2000 years old.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:21:53] Yeah, and it literally tracked the sun. The moon. It predicted eclipses. Um, I think concrete. I feel like we had concrete and we forgot how to do it, and we. So I think that bodes well for something like this existing because we lose how to do things. And, um, it could be for a lot of reasons. So are stargates real? I would say that they are real. And the reason why they closed and we can't seem to access it anymore. This is what I struggle with because I'm torn between the aliens or the people, the beings that would come visit us. We did something to piss them off, or we didn't follow some instruction or we just we just were a disappointment. So they stopped coming. Either that or someone used the Stargate to rewrite history. And we we all live now in that iteration of sort of of time.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:22:43] The Mandela effect.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:22:43] And then. And by doing so, though, they broke the Stargate. Maybe on purpose, maybe not on purpose, I think I think more I'm leaning toward that. So Stargate exists and I've probably had a similar theory, but I think someone went back in time. They didn't go back far enough, so they didn't erase all evidence of it. That's why we have some evidence. But when they went back, it was sort of a rewrite things, which is why there could be a computer that's like 2000 years old, and then we don't have the same navigation technology and ability to 2000 years later, I think someone used the Stargate to let's like, like think of Biff and Back to the future, you know? So someone used someone or someone's used the Stargate because they didn't like their stock and where they were in life. And, um, yeah, they they took some knowledge and rewrote history. And who knows, maybe it's the same people that the secret society that controls everything. But some people did. They came back, they run stuff. Now, they mistakenly left evidence of another timeline before they interrupted ours.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:23:49] So your stargate's more about going back in time or time warps more than aliens?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:23:54] Yeah, more than a different place. Because I think a wormhole, I believe, is a time thing. I think it could be a time or space thing. So. Yeah, that's my Stargate.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:24:03] Okay, so I would have said that stargates were not possible. But now with the Trump administration, I'm starting to think that they're possible because we have people who look at facts like I'm convinced that they believe, like, for example, like the like tariffs are a thing now. Right? And I'm convinced they believe that China is going to be paying for the tariffs. Like I'm convinced that it's not like a trick like I used to think. Are these, like, they're just trying to fool us. They're just trying to trick us. But I actually believe.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:24:29] You mean people that people believe that.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:24:31] Know that they that the Trump administration, they actually believe.

Jonesy: [00:24:34] The team?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:24:35] Yeah, the whole team.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:24:36] Well, he wasn't awake at business school. He must have been sleeping during that. I mean.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:24:40] But I think that they believe it. And so the only, the only, the only rationale that I can come up with is that these are fucking aliens from another planet who just came here and like, they read the econ books wrong. And they've convinced themselves that this is and whatever Trump says is the truth. So I think that all the people in this administration are basically aliens from from the Stargate that have come. And maybe what's the closest Stargate? Sedona. Maybe. 

Jonesy: [00:25:06] Sedona.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:25:07] Yeah.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:25:07] That would make sense, though, because they they you see these guys in Flagstaff, not Flagstaff. Excuse me. Scottsdale, Arizona, not too far from Sedona.

Jonesy: [00:25:15] Mhm. Scottsdale. Yeah. Yeah,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:25:17] Yeah. And I think what happens is when you, when I like about this I believe I don't know maybe I'm maybe I just misheard. But when you go through these portals, you come out on the other side with a Tommy Bahama shirt on is what I.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:25:29] But have you guys, have you guys seen the Mar a Lago face the whole like like like, for example Laura Trump.

Jonesy: [00:25:34] Or is it just sunburned?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:25:35] No, no. So Laura Trump is like a normal looking person, and then she comes back and she's like, Botox. Oh, like, her faces are like, you know, like really like a lot of the women.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:25:43] So they must have a service there.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:25:45] Yeah. Well, no. They come I think something in the Stargate. Oh, they go and they come back and they're like. They look like.

Jonesy: [00:25:50] These aliens come from a dumb. They're dumb. They come from a dumb place.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:25:53] Yeah, like maybe Idiocracy. Maybe that was a documentary. About. Like, their society.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:25:57] Maybe. Maybe they're they're kicked out of where they're from. You know, we're not getting the best.

Jonesy: [00:26:00] Makes sense.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:26:01] Yeah, yeah, we're getting you.

Jonesy: [00:26:02] Kick them out.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:26:02] It's like Australia.

Jonesy: [00:26:03] Because there's got to be some. It ends up being Australia. Oh poor Australia.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:26:11] That's funny.

Jonesy: [00:26:12] Yeah. Because they got to be intelligent beings in their world. Otherwise how would they make a stargate. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:26:17] Come back.

Jonesy: [00:26:17] Yeah. Yeah. How would they make a Stargate.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:26:18] So they were just kicked out.

Jonesy: [00:26:20] These are like the idiots.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:26:21] So basically they have like a test, like we have standardized tests, they have a standardized test. And if you do poorly like too poorly, they're like, oh, you got to go through that portal.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:26:32] And it all happens to go to the white House.

Jonesy: [00:26:34] No.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:26:34] Because the only people that are believing in Trump are these people.

Jonesy: [00:26:37] Yeah.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:26:38] Like I'm convinced they believe it. Like, at first I thought, these guys are just messing around. Like. But now I truly believe that they believe this. Interesting. What about you, Jonesy? What's your theory?

Jonesy: [00:26:48] Yeah, I don't, I don't I'm not buying stargates. I don't think there's a Stargate. I don't, because and I don't think we want a Stargate. Because you can't. The body's really tender and sensitive, and. And it doesn't survive. One planet to the right.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:27:02] Right, right.

Jonesy: [00:27:02] Never mind. Five galaxies to the left. You know, like we can only live in a. It's got to be a very specific oxygen level. It's got to be a very specific, uh, you know, some of the, the more deadlier gases cannot really be allowed in the atmosphere, like we find them in other planets that are just nearby. These places are whacked. We can't even go over there.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:27:23] I mean, think about what a little estrogen can do to you.

Jonesy: [00:27:25] Just think about it. Yeah, a little estrogen make you crash your car. I mean, you can't even think straight, so. So, yeah, I don't I don't think I don't think there's movement. I don't think this body can be moved around like that. So, um, do I believe that there can be travel by more intelligent beings throughout the universe if there are such things? Yeah. But I don't think they'd be limited to a Stargate. They can appear however the hell they want, wherever they want. They're not. They're not stuck to like. Oh, no, we got to wait for the line of the line of this. It's a little long. We got to wait. And you know what I mean? Like, they're appearing everywhere. They're appearing underwater. They're appearing everywhere. They don't. They're not reliant upon some sort of, like, runway.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:28:04] Where the Stargate was for us. Or maybe that that that kind of my theory lends to that because it's we're not traveling to some other dimension. We're just going.

Jonesy: [00:28:12] You think we're just going on, on, on Earth. We're going, like, from Sedona to Stonehenge.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:28:16] No, no, no, he's different.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:28:17] Time. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:28:17] Back in time.

Jonesy: [00:28:18] Oh, different times, too.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:28:19] Yeah, like a wormhole.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:28:20] No, I think you're right. And it's like I want you to finish. But like, also, the whole issue with the whole thing is your soul. Even when you watch Star Trek and they teleport and all of that, how does the soul. You know what I mean? We know what we're made of. We can, you know, we know the molecules. And at some point we'll be able to sort of recreate that. But can we? If we do, so can we create that thing that whatever that battery or whatever the thing is, you know what I mean? So that's the one thing I say that you you make a really good point not only about we can't live in certain conditions, but how would I how would I?

Jonesy: [00:28:52] So now, in your theory of the of the Stargate, does the the soul makes the trip, though?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:28:56] Absolutely.

Jonesy: [00:28:57] The soul. The soul can do that. Back in time, though.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:28:59] Back in time.

Jonesy: [00:29:00] Or forward in time? Yeah. Back in time. Yeah. I think there's a way. I think there is. This is going to go this is kind of deep and weird, but like travel is possible across the universe, maybe even for us in our minds only.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:29:12] So we can get a glimpse of it, but not.

Jonesy: [00:29:15] Yeah, some of that, some of those people in the remote viewing program they were able to project. They were able to see things on other planets that were later confirmed.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:29:23] Oh, wow.

Jonesy: [00:29:24] They were able to see things on the moon that was then later confirmed. They were able to project their awareness outside of the Earth. Not just around the Earth. They were able to put it out there. So who knows what what our minds are actually capable of, I think. Ah, I think we're just discovering what our minds are capable of via meditation and ESP experiments. Some of the the, the stuff that this doctor Dean Raiden is doing, which is similar to this remote viewing stuff. We're learning that the mind is got some superpowers, you know, call it ESP, whatever, and we're kind of just rediscovering this stuff. The ancients probably knew about it. We're just rediscovering this. Who knows what we're capable of, but we probably can with our minds. Our mind is probably a Stargate, is what I'm saying.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:30:12] Like that? I like that.

Jonesy: [00:30:14] And we can go out there anywhere we want.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:30:17] Okay.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:30:17] Sorry, Cheech and Chong. Your mind is strong,

Jonesy: [00:30:20] Man.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:30:21] Hey, man.

Jonesy: [00:30:22] Yeah. You smoked the Stargate Kush, man. Yeah. Right. Dude.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:30:31] Uh, it's time for us to pick the unofficial official story. One that will answer this question once and for all. So which theory do we want to go with today?

Jonesy: [00:30:39] I like that we're invaded. We've been invaded by stupid aliens through stargates. I like that it makes me feel better about the world right now. It allows me to make sense of it, at least.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:30:49] Yeah, it makes sense.

Jonesy: [00:30:50] I just want to make sense of what's going on.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:30:52] I like that, I like that, but I also like your mind is a Stargate, which is kind of what you what you landed on.

Jonesy: [00:30:57] Look at Jedi, baby. We started with Jedi. It's like that, right?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:31:00] I like that a lot because that was Yoda's thing, right?

Jonesy: [00:31:03] That was totally Yoda thing.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:31:04] All the Jedi's can just.

Jonesy: [00:31:05] That's right.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:31:05] There's a disturbance in the, uh, in the in the force.

Jonesy: [00:31:08] Yeah. Mind is primary, right? Physical. The physical universe is secondary. This. Some believe that, um, that some of these guys I'm talking about from the like Dean Radin and the people from the Operation Stargate, they actually believe that consciousness is primary. And it started with consciousness, the universe. Everything started with consciousness first. And the physical universe is just a, an epiphenomenon of that. And so what's primary is consciousness. And they're running experiments to really find out if, if consciousness is primary and in little ways it looks like it could be true,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:31:41] Like our physical form is just sort of like a byproduct, kind of like. 

Jonesy: [00:31:45] Correct.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:31:45] Yeah, yeah.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:31:46] But I just got a text from Cat. The cat just said she's ready for mine.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:31:49] Yeah, right. 

Jonesy: [00:31:50] She did. She did say that.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:31:51] Before you start with the cheating Stargate. Let's see what. Jonesy, are you are you voting for.

Jonesy: [00:31:57] Yeah, I vote for that.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:31:58] Okay? And you're voting for yours. Doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.

Jonesy: [00:32:01] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:32:01] We don't need to pretend that cat voted for yours.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:32:04] No, no. She did.

Jonesy: [00:32:07] Oh, I should have voted for you. That way we could do the reveal of Cat. Well, you want to make it. You want to want to record it and redo it and be like.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:32:14] Well, I like I like Koji's, but I'm. Since it doesn't matter, I'll go with, uh, yours. The mind is the Stargate, because that's that's pretty heavy.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:32:22] Yeah, I like that though too, but it's the Trump one that makes the most sense.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:32:25] It's the Trump one. Yeah.

Jonesy: [00:32:26] At what point can we just, like, kick them through the Stargate? Like, that would be like. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:32:31] We got to convince them. Go to Sedona.

Jonesy: [00:32:33] Oh, okay. We got to get. How do you get them to Sedona? We just tell them, you know,

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:32:36] Tradwives.

Jonesy: [00:32:37] Yeah,

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:32:37] There's a bunch of tradwives there that they can meet.

Jonesy: [00:32:39] Yeah, that's a great idea.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:32:42] You gotta put, like, I don't know what. What's there? Maybe we can, like, put McDonald's on the other side. And then in between there's a Stargate and you're like, hey, man, these Big Macs are, like, free, you know?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:32:55] And these women will love you. And you could you could be a traditional man.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:32:59] And that's the official I'm doing air quotes. That's the official story. We'll take another break and we'll and we'll ask the question that you've always wanted to ask.

Jonesy: [00:33:11] If you had the opportunity to step through a Stargate. Where would you hope it takes you? Another time, another world, or perhaps a hidden place right here on Earth? What would you be most excited or afraid to find on the other side of that Stargate?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:33:25] What's crazy? That that was your theory, Koji. Because this was my. Even though it wasn't my theory. Your theory? One. My Stargate wish. Which I'm completely wasting on this. And I shouldn't have to waste on this. I don't know if it would take 1 or 2. It might take two trips, and they're just. We're talking time only. So I might go 20 years into the future, provided there's still a planet in the world still exists. AI will be pretty robust. I'll. And I probably could do this. But just to make it quick, I go 20 years in the future. The original Facebook will be like some weird relic. I could probably just look it up, literally look it up the source code. Um, but I might ask, AI hey, AI make me the original Facebook. Just do the code. Take that code. Go back 20 years or maybe 30 years from this moment right now. Create Facebook right.

Jonesy: [00:34:20] Mhm.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:34:20] Keep it relatively the same. You know I wouldn't dominate my space. I might even make it so my space wins. But anyway what I would definitely do is make sure that Facebook and I may not even be running it. I just would just boop boop boop. But I would make sure that it couldn't be used to hack an election. So.

Jonesy: [00:34:42] I love that.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:34:43] That's very elaborate for hacking election.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:34:45] For unHacking.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:34:46] UnHacking.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:34:46] Yeah yeah yeah yeah. And it's a total waste of a Stargate thing, but that's how much I care about people.

Jonesy: [00:34:51] Yeah, that's very nice of you.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:34:52] Yeah, yeah. I'm just always giving.

Jonesy: [00:34:54] Yeah, I would, I would go, I would just go on my. I have this curiosity about like, what the hell? Who made the pyramids? What they are. What I really want to know. So bad.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:35:04] Egyptians.

Jonesy: [00:35:07] Um. Got it. Yeah, but, like, we don't really know. They don't really know. They just have theories, you know? They think so. There's so many different theories. And what what what are they? What could they be? You know, they're not tombs because there's no inscriptions on them. So then there was never bodies found in them. They look like machines to me. At least the big one. They look like it could be an antenna. You know, there's a power plant theory. Um, but that one English dude. And there's all these theories, I just I would love to go be able to step through a Stargate and go back to Egypt in, you know, 3000 BC. Whatever it is, just see what the hell is going on. Who made it?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:35:47] That'd be great. What I love is that, like, you go through the. Excuse me? You go through the Stargate, right? You pop up and they're building it, and then it's just like a bunch of black dudes, and they're just all building it or whatever. Maybe some are foremen, some are building whatever. And you go, what? Hey, man, what is this? And he goes, hey, you, another white dude that came back from the future to ask what this was. And he goes, well, I got some good news and bad news. The good news is, I can tell you, is that, uh, this is just a it's just for decoration. And the bad news is you can't go back.

Jonesy: [00:36:24] Put him with the other ones.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:36:25] Right.

Jonesy: [00:36:26] Oh, that's so funny.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:36:28] But that's a good. That's a good use of it, though. Super good use.

Jonesy: [00:36:30] Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's one of my like. I'm so enthralled by all of that. That's why I watched. That's kind of one of the reasons why I watched. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:36:37] Stargate.

Jonesy: [00:36:37] I watched the Stargate movie because it, like, took place in Egypt, and it looked like it was like Egypt. Iconography on the cover of the of the.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:36:44] Well, wasn't it that the gods were real and they're from they're from the other planet, right. Or the other?

Jonesy: [00:36:49] Yeah, they were from another planet, but they took on Egyptian motifs like they wore the Anubis, um, heads.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:36:56] Right, right, right.

Jonesy: [00:36:57] And they, they were like they had a link to Egypt.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:36:59] So what I would do is I always think about this moment. My, my mom met the, the person who started, uh, Bitcoin. Way back in the day.

Jonesy: [00:37:08] Wait a minute. They don't know who this person.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:37:09] Was a Japanese guy.

Jonesy: [00:37:10] Yeah but they don't. They. There's just a theory. They don't know if it's if it's. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:37:13] I don't know I don't know if it's really him. But, I remember that that this person was talking to my mom because they wanted my mom to invest in something like that. And I was like, but she like, she's like a she was like an older woman. And so she didn't know what the hell the person was talking about.

Jonesy: [00:37:25] Yeah. That was a strange pitch to you, you know?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:37:27] But my mom had money and she was investing and stuff, and so I remember she was telling me about it. I had no idea what the hell. And I was like, no, no, this sounds like this sounds crazy, because.

Jonesy: [00:37:36] Recall in real time, she told you. Hey, by the way, I just spoke to someone and they said, like.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:37:40] Like, like, like six months later, it wasn't like, right after it.

Jonesy: [00:37:43] Oh, man.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:37:43] And then she was talking to me about it. And then I was then like, everyone like, is convinced that that was like the Bitcoin guy. But you know, we don't know for sure. But so it could have just been a scam. But it sounded like at that time there was nothing like that happening. You know there was no like nobody was like talking about cryptocurrency back then.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:38:01] Yeah. So if you could even convince her to just put like five grand in.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:38:05] Yeah,

Jonesy: [00:38:05] Like 5 grand,

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:38:06] Like Kobe. Like Kobe Bryant put in.

Jonesy: [00:38:08] Those coins were like $5 at the time. Five grand would have got you if. Forget it. If you put $100 in it, you'd be sitting pretty.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:38:14] Like Kobe Bryant got Kawhi Leonard to invest in um Under Armour right. He invested in armour and then they made a shitload of money. They put in like I think they put like 50,000 or 100,000. And they ended up like like.

Jonesy: [00:38:25] Under Armour.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:38:26] Like before. They had before.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:38:27] They became Big.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:38:27] Steph Curry.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:38:28] Before they became a big thing. But um, but yeah, I always think about like going back to that moment and finding out the truth about it and finding out, you know, whether it was real and.

Jonesy: [00:38:37] Dropping a G on it.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:38:37] Yeah. And just putting a little bit of money in.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:38:39] Did he did he say what the name of it was at the time? Did he.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:38:42] My mom didn't know.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:38:43] Okay.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:38:43] They might have told my mom but okay. My mom was like translated into English.

Jonesy: [00:38:47] Was he a Nigerian prince?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:38:51] She met him in person. She said it was Japanese.

Jonesy: [00:38:54] Yeah.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:38:54] Yeah, yeah.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:38:54] Like it's like.

Jonesy: [00:38:55] They they have a there's a there's a name attached to it. But it's just legendary. They've never this person's never come out.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:39:00] It's crazy that we don't know who made this. And this is like currency that everyone respects.

Jonesy: [00:39:04] That's crazy.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:39:05] That's outrageous to me.

Jonesy: [00:39:06] It's totally outrageous.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:39:07] And it's not even linked to a country.

Jonesy: [00:39:08] When you think about it, it's like really insane. And that people put people are trusting it and people pouring money. I mean, it's insane.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:39:14] But it's not that crazy when you think that the dollar isn't backed by anything. Like essentially the way we got out of the 2000. The way we got out of the 2008 recession was by putting more, making more money.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:39:24] But money is fake anyway.

Jonesy: [00:39:26] But you know, the dollar, though, there's a certain level of trust, there's time involved. But everybody's on the fiat currency. We all have agreed over the centuries that this is like what we're doing.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:39:38] This has been a lot of fun, guys. Thank you, Jonesy, for coming on with us. Please tell us where people can follow you and your podcast.

Jonesy: [00:39:44] Oh, my podcast is called weird AF news and it's a five day a week weird news comedy podcast. It's available everywhere and I'm on Instagram at Funny Jones.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:39:54] To our listeners, we truly appreciate your support and enthusiasm for our quirky, mysterious, and fun filled journey. Your curiosity and engagement make this podcast a joy to create. Stay tuned for more intriguing stories and remember to share, subscribe and leave a review. Until next time, keep wondering and stay unofficially official.

Jonesy: [00:40:09] In the next episode, we'll be asking the question was Robert Kennedy's killer part of MKUltra?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:40:15] Ooh, I like that.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:40:16] That's weird that we did two.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:40:18] Right, right, right.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:40:19] Mind control, remote viewing.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:40:21] Yeah.

Jonesy: [00:40:22] Mhm.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:40:23] So I just want to say one thing though with this MKUltra thing kind of like Manchurian Candidate if you are ever in a cafe okay. And a guy walks up to you right. And he looks at you and goes Cat River fork, mussel green 13 punch him in the face. Because he's pro. The program doesn't kick in until he gets to the end of these random words.

Jonesy: [00:40:47] Oh, so you got to you got to intercept.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:40:49] Yeah. So if you have four words that don't make sense, punch him in the face. That's my. That's my theory.

Jonesy: [00:40:53] I'm wearing a suit. How quick you get him. You get him quick.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:40:56] Three words in.

Jonesy: [00:40:57] There. You don't mess around.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:41:00] But what I learned, though, is. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:41:01] I was just asking if you wanted to. You wanted whipped cream on me.

Jonesy: [00:41:05] He knocked out a few servers. I'm sorry.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:41:09] But I've learned. Excuse me. Sonny actually does lead to something, so don't excuse me, Sonny. Bo. You won't mk ultra me. But. 

Jonesy: [00:41:21] You won't MK ultra me.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:41:24] I'm excited for that one, though.

Jonesy: [00:41:25] Yeah, I never heard of that. I didn't know that was a thing.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:41:27] Robert Kennedy's killer.

Jonesy: [00:41:29] The tie to MK ultra.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:41:31] There's been a lot of stories around people who've been there. Brain's been hijacked and used to to do bad things.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:41:38] Yeah, a little voice told me to do it.

Jonesy: [00:41:39] Oh, like a like a the mind control. And they make them do the bad thing.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:41:42] Yeah.

Jonesy: [00:41:43] Mhm. Mhm.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:41:45] I mean that's, that explains uh Kennedy now.

Jonesy: [00:41:48] Oh yeah. Well he's, he's being controlled by a worm inside his brain.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:41:51] That's what they say.

Jonesy: [00:41:53] Yeah.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:41:54] All right guys thank you so much.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:41:56] See you guys.