S2E3 Mind Control, RFK, and MKUltra with Comedian Ben Morrison!

Cat Alvarado: [00:00:00] What's the most unhinged way MKUltra could secretly be controlling people today?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:00:04] Do you guys know the TikTok challenge? The the door knock one. Knock, knock.

Cat Alvarado: [00:00:08] No. What's that?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:00:09] So they have the. It's called the door kick. So like, you know, ding dong ditch is like the thing that we did as kids in the 80s or 90s or whatever. 70s. Now it's ding dong, you hit the, you kick the door really hard, like you're breaking in. And then and then you run away. But somebody in Florida got shot.

Cat Alvarado: [00:00:25] I mean, yeah.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:00:26] Or Georgia or one of the states over there.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:00:28] You can't do it in those states anywhere, really. But definitely those.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:00:31] But they did it. And the guy just came out and fired at these teenagers.

Cat Alvarado: [00:00:34] I mean, that checks out.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:00:37] And so I was thinking that, you know, this is like like somebody in some weird back office is doing the MKUltra on these kids. And like, it'd be a good idea to go to a state where everyone has a gun.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:00:47] Could also be MKUltra and the guy shooting kids running away, like, you know,

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:00:51] That's true. That's true.

Ben Morrison: [00:00:52] It's gonna be a dark episode.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:00:54] Yes. Well, and also, just let me just mention IRL streamers, they've become really popular lately, and I think those guys are all being controlled by somebody weird.

Ben Morrison: [00:01:02] You think Johnny's Somalia has been MKUltra?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:01:04] Yeah. Maybe somebody. That's why he he does such inexplicable things. He just like, you're just like, dude, don't you want to get out of this country?

Cat Alvarado: [00:01:10] I mean, I'm pretty sure all of TikTok is just MKUltra, but China, right? And then Instagram Reels is MKUltra. But the US, like all of its.

Ben Morrison: [00:01:18] Rearranged the letters TikTok. It spells MK ultra,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:01:21] Right? Right. I'm actually positive it doesn't. But yeah, that's.

Ben Morrison: [00:01:28] That's just what they want you to think. Dwayne.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:01:30] Well, you know, the thing is, now I think with the comment section of everything and the fact that you never know if a real person is commenting or not.

Cat Alvarado: [00:01:38] Bots. Yeah

Dwayne Perkins: [00:01:39] it almost is like, are they using bots AI MKUltra. So I think AI almost is like gonna like sort of replace MKUltra like you don't, you can make people think what you want without the hypnosis or the drugs, because people will think what a lot of other people think. Like, you ever see a movie that everyone's raving about and you're like,

Cat Alvarado: [00:01:58] Why?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:01:59] And what the what? Yeah. And then you go, okay, did I. Am I not falling under the hypnosis or what's happening here? So anyway, I think also like when you hear something that's not good, you just wonder, is it MKUltra or is it bots or something's going on?

Cat Alvarado: [00:02:13] Well, you know, the government was in 4chan, right? There were a bunch of government accounts when fortune got hacked. So they're saying that was like entrapment, that they're trying to, like, foment extremists or, like, get them to spill the beans so the government could get them. Is that true? I think so, I think that actually, no, that did happen. There were government people. Am I making it up right now? No I'm not. That happened.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:02:38] What about you, Ben? Any ideas.

Ben Morrison: [00:02:39] For MKUltra? I have, I already know the answer to it.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:02:42] Okay, what about any kind of thinking? Or what do they secretly controlling?

Ben Morrison: [00:02:45] Recycling. Recycling is one big ass MKUltra to make us feel better about being the most wasteful non-caring consumers on the entire planet.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:02:57] That's funny, because, um. The shoes. Have you heard about the shoe? Recycling. So people recycle shoes? Like thinking that it's gonna. But what they do is they just take the shoes, go to, like, Thailand or Vietnam or Cambodia, and then just dump the shoes. And like. But it makes you feel. It makes people like, oh, I'm doing so much good.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:03:12] But maybe someone's gonna dig through and get those.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:03:14] No, no, it's literally just trash.

Cat Alvarado: [00:03:16] I mean, same thing with all fast fashion clothes. People donate it to goodwill. Goodwill can't give it all away, so they just ship it on barges to Africa.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:03:23] Yeah. So it's the same thing. What you're saying is just that people think.

Ben Morrison: [00:03:25] I have a, like, a split garbage can, right? Left side is the garbage, right side is recycling. The recycling side is as big as the garbage side, which is MKUltra ING me to think that half the shit I have should go on the right side and get recycled. So anything that's plastic made of paper, I'm like, I'm just gonna recycle this. When in truth, like literally the only thing that will ever get recycled maybe is a water bottle and an aluminum can. Aside from that, everything else is just going right into the garbage side of things.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:03:57] You mean by you or by the people that collect it?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:03:59] The people that collect it. 

Ben Morrison: [00:03:59] By the people that collect it. Like, I'll put I'll put stuff on the right side thinking I'm, you know, saving the earth, but it's literally just it's just a it's just a left side, right side. You know.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:04:09] Well, and that's the thing like, because the way to save the earth is to stop consuming as much and then, like, capitalism just needs you to keep consuming.

Cat Alvarado: [00:04:18] Which honestly, when the tariffs came out, I was like, this is actually a good thing. If we all bought less because it was too expensive and we stopped shipping it in from China, which has a giant carbon footprint. I don't know.

Ben Morrison: [00:04:31] Yeah. Trump was like.

Cat Alvarado: [00:04:32] Maybe he was on to something.

Ben Morrison: [00:04:33] 30 dolls. The kids will get 2 dolls.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:04:36] Right, right.

Ben Morrison: [00:04:38] I'm like, that's actually yeah.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:04:40] I mean, no one should have 30 dolls.

Cat Alvarado: [00:04:41] No. Ironically, that is kind of communist of a thing to say.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:04:45] He's a commie. We've decided.

Ben Morrison: [00:04:47] Yes he is.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:04:54] Welcome to the unofficial Official Story Podcast. This is episode three of season five. Join us as we dive into the quirky, mysterious, and bizarre from Unsolved Mysteries peculiar pop culture phenomena, we uncover hidden stories and explore alternate realities. My name is Koji Sirhan Sirhan because that's what we're doing.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:05:11] My name is, uh, I'll say Dwayne Neil. I don't know if that's the right last name, but that's the, uh, I don't know if we're going to talk about this, but there was a girl in a polka dot dress.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:05:20] Oh, yeah?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:05:21] Who either was the one who triggered him or also shot. So I'll, uh. I'll be. The. The girl in the polka dot dress.

Cat Alvarado: [00:05:28] And I'm a Cat elva Herbert hoover. Herbert hoover. I can't talk because he was the one who did MKUltra.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:05:39] Allegedly.

Cat Alvarado: [00:05:40] Allegedly. On June 5th, 1968, Robert F Kennedy was fatally shot at the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles to honor his anniversary. We're asking the very important question was Robert Kennedy's killer, part of MK ultra.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:05:55] However, before we get to that, let's introduce our guest. We've heard from him a bit. Ben Morrison, we have a lengthy bio. Let me get this out of the way. Ben has a new special. Ben is hilarious. We've worked together on a hit game show called Funny You Should Ask, which I think is in season 15. We know we laugh because we never know what, how they cut up the season, just how we didn't know whatever. So we were on, uh. But Ben's special is called 45. It's available on YouTube, and I can't wait to give it a listen because Ben is hilarious. Super into multimedia type stuff. He's sort of taking comedy to new frontiers with that kind of stuff. He's a Los Angeles based actor, writer, comedian, filmmaker, and, um, has been performing since childhood. I didn't know that. A graduate of NYU's Tisch School of the Arts. He trained as an industry legends William H. Macy and David Mamet. Wow. You've met David Mamet?

Ben Morrison: [00:06:43] Yeah. I fell asleep next to him once while we were doing a rehearsal for a play.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:06:46] That's Crazy, before adding stand up to his repertoire. Welcome. And, uh, how did you shift from acting to comedy. 

Ben Morrison: [00:06:52] Wasn't planned. Kind of had a secret love affair with comedy my whole life because I grew up acting and always kind of, um, thought of it as kind of the Wild West. I never planned on doing it. I was halfway through theater school and went out with a bunch of friends, and I got really hammered one night, blacked out, and apparently booked my very first stand up comedy show.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:07:10] Oh, wow. You don't even remember doing it.

Ben Morrison: [00:07:12] Not at all. Woke up with a hangover and a new career.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:07:14] So very nice.

Ben Morrison: [00:07:16] You do stupid things. And you?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:07:17] Most people wake up with a hangover and a case. So I'm glad you didn't wake up with a case.

Ben Morrison: [00:07:21] Yeah, I woke up with a case of the funny.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:07:24] Oh! Look out!

Ben Morrison: [00:07:25] Actually, I wasn't I wasn't that funny for a very long time.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:07:29] Were you funny as a kid?

Ben Morrison: [00:07:30] Nah. Yeah, I guess so. My mom always says that I would use, uh, like, character humor to get out of trouble. Like, as young as, like, 5 or 6 years old.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:07:39] What does that. 

Ben Morrison: [00:07:40] Mean? Well, I had characters, like, apparently I had I was like, I had, like, this Italian barber character when I was five years old. I must have saw it on TV. And she was like, my room was all messed up. And she was like, clean your room. And I was like, hey, throw the water. And I was like five years old. She was like, you're so cute. You don't have to. And, uh, and what I am told, that's how it started and just really didn't have any friends growing up. So theater was one way to just be around other weirdos.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:08:04] Very nice. And you went to school in New York? I didn't know that. You're from the Boston area.

Ben Morrison: [00:08:08] Yeah. I grew up in south end of Boston, then moved to a suburb called Arlington. Uh, right outside of the city. Same high school as Dane Cook.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:08:15] I was gonna say home of Dane Cook. Yeah. Al DelBene. And I think. Robert Kelly too

Ben Morrison: [00:08:20] when I did the theater, the musical every year. And the theater teacher, that kind of took me under his wing. The last person, the last kid he had worked with closely was Dane. So I was in high school rehearsing for, like, Guys and Dolls, and then Dane would come in to say hi to him. Well, he was coming up at, like, Knicks and Boston and my, that's the first time I met him when I was in high school.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:08:38] Oh that's awesome. How was it moving to New York?

Ben Morrison: [00:08:41] Oh, it was great. I you know, I was like the theater kid and never, you know, touched a girl and never drank. I wanted to, because no one wanted to do it with me. And then I finally got the fuck out of that little town and went to New York City and found a group of.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:08:53] I don't want to blow up your spot.

Ben Morrison: [00:08:54] Misfits.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:08:55] He's he's made up for all of that.

Ben Morrison: [00:08:58] Don't listen to him. This MKUltra. Mkultra ing. You I there's only one girl in my life, and that's my girlfriend.

Cat Alvarado: [00:09:07] Every time I meet you, it's a different girlfriend. It's every few years. 

Ben Morrison: [00:09:09] MK ultra.

Cat Alvarado: [00:09:11] They're always gorgeous. Always gorgeous.

Ben Morrison: [00:09:14] Jamie, they're MK ultra.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:09:16] With wonderful personalities.

Cat Alvarado: [00:09:17] Yeah.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:09:18] Whenever I talk about a girl, I go Star Wars. So whenever I'm talking about a girl, I go a long, long time ago. In a galaxy far, far away. I used to mess with this chick. Right? That's all.

Ben Morrison: [00:09:29] That's hilarious.

Cat Alvarado: [00:09:30] It's time to get to the bottom of this once and for all.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:09:33] Yes it is. Let's do it.

Cat Alvarado: [00:09:34] Okay.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:09:35] Let's do it. Like, um, the Punisher did with Cassie. That's. I didn't need to say that. Okay, that's a P Diddy if you follow me.

Cat Alvarado: [00:09:41] I knew it was. And that made me sad.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:09:44] I'm sorry.

Ben Morrison: [00:09:45] Who the hell's the Punisher?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:09:47] It's this guy that puffy paid to, uh, watch punish.

Cat Alvarado: [00:09:52] This joke will probably get cut.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:09:54] Mk ultra. Mk ultra. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was on. Maybe Diddy's under. Anyway

Cat Alvarado: [00:09:59] The current official story goes something like this. On June 5th, 1968, Senator Robert F Kennedy was fatally shot at the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles, California, shortly after delivering a victory speech for the California Democratic primary. As he exited through the hotel's kitchen hallway, Sirhan Sirhan, a 24 year old Palestinian immigrant, fired multiple shots at close range, striking Kennedy in the head and body. Kennedy was then rushed to Good Samaritan Hospital, where he succumbed to his injuries nearly 25 hours later on June 6th, 1968. His assassination was a devastating blow to the nation, occurring just five years after the murder of his brother, President John F Kennedy, Sirhan was convicted and sentenced to life in prison, though his motives and the possibility of a larger conspiracy remained subjects of debate.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:10:52] But is that what really happened? According to the Washington Post article, we'll post a link in our show notes the unusual behavior of Sirhan Sirhan immediately after the shooting of Robert F Kennedy, characterized by a peaceful demeanor and a blank, glassy eyed or glassed overlook, contrasted sharply with a superhuman strength he exhibited while being restrained. This dichotomy, coupled with his persistent claim of amnesia regarding the precise moment of the assassination, has fueled speculation that he may have been under hypnosis at the time. His defense team initially considered this angle, noting his high susceptibility to hypnosis, but ultimately pursued a diminished mental capacity. Defense. Are you guys susceptible to hypnosis?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:11:31] Uh, I don't think so.

Cat Alvarado: [00:11:32] So I've actually done it. I have this lady, uh, because I was trying to get over an ex, so I went to a hypnotist, and she. She did all the things. And you have to, like, say yes and no and yes and no and answer a bunch of questions. And then she was like, okay, um, I would like your hand to touch your head. And so I was like, I was not gonna do it. And then my hand did it, even though I didn't tell my hand to. She told my hand to. Um, so I guess. Yes.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:11:56] So was your hand hypnotized or your head or what was under the influence? Um, I guess.

Cat Alvarado: [00:12:01] I guess she, like, had control of my limbs.

Ben Morrison: [00:12:06] So if anyone's looking to kill a president Cat.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:12:10] Well, that's like a.

Cat Alvarado: [00:12:10] maybe.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:12:11] That's like a when I did my past life regression hypnosis, and I thought, like, I was in this room where it was very eastern, faux eastern bullshit kind of thing. And I was like, this is bullshit. Especially because the person wasn't Asian or anything. And, you know, they're like, okay, every year of your life, you're going to go back one year and you're gonna tell me one thing that happened and, you know, like I was like, I can't even think about, you know, like, I don't know what happened on what year. So I was going back I was 45 at the time. And I got back and I, I got to 20. That's when my dad died and I was just bawling. And I was like, this is so weird because, I mean, like, obviously it's sad that my dad died, but it's been like 25 years. I don't cry about my dad being dead anymore. But like, I was like, oh my God. I was like crying so much. And I was like, oh, this is like, get out because and get out if you guys remember. He was like watching the show. And he's like, dad like. And I was like, oh my God. Like, this must have worked. Even though, like I was in my head, I was like, this is bullshit. This is so stupid. I can't believe I paid money for this whole thing. And then I was like, oh my God, this is so maybe I'm susceptible to, I don't know,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:13:07] Maybe. Well, my dad died when I was 19, so we have that in common. What I was going to say is I wish they went with the the hypnosis thing though, because it's almost like, um, they didn't think anyone would believe it. But yeah, that's more cinematic. Because. You could like, literally have like a cop on a stand and like, you know, do you think he was, you know, under some hypnosis? No. No way. I don't believe in that. Uh, that crap. It's not even possible. Okay, okay. And sleep. And then. And then he's, like, walking like a chicken and doing everything, and you know what I mean? He's. He's walking for five minutes, and he sits back down in a chair and they go and wake. So as I was saying, uh, the way he was.

Cat Alvarado: [00:13:50] They bring in one of those magician hypnotists.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:13:52] Right.

Cat Alvarado: [00:13:52] That make people think they peed on themselves.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:13:54] Yeah, I wish I wish they had gone with that, that route. Uh, Sergeant William Jordan wrote in a report later that morning. He appeared less upset to me than individuals arrested for a traffic violation.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:14:04] Interesting.

Cat Alvarado: [00:14:05] The hypnosis theory gained significant traction years later, following extensive examination of Sirhan by Doctor Daniel P Brown, a Harvard Medical School professor specializing in forensic psychiatry and hypnosis. Brown concluded in 2011 that Sirhan acted without conscious volition, a quote Manchurian Candidate programmed to commit the violent act. Brown's findings were based on over 60 hours of interviews and his extensive experience with hypnosis, stating that Sirhan was one of the most hypnotizable individuals he had ever encountered, exhibiting extreme amnesia for the actions under hypnosis.

Ben Morrison: [00:14:51] Can I jump in with a crazy fact. So, uh, I learned this when preparing for this. So the night before he was killed, Robert Kennedy stayed at the director John Frankenheimer's house. Frankenheimer is the director of the movie The Manchurian Candidate.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:15:08] Get out.

Ben Morrison: [00:15:09] Also a great movie.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:15:10] Yeah.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:15:11] We just watched that. I just watched that today.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:15:13] It's a good movie, both the original and I think Denzel was in the remake. Uh. That's outrageous. That's really outrageous. You know, how do you know someone's hypnotizable? That's what I don't like. Maybe someone was talking to Sirhan Sirhan once, and he said something they didn't like. They were like, you know what? Go fly a kite. And the guy just went, and you're like, that guy. Really?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:15:32] The 60 hours as though, you know, like, what if it was 59 hours? Would that be, you know, less less impressive. It's just that it was over 60 hours. Made it. I don't know. It seemed like.

Cat Alvarado: [00:15:41] It's like when you think about the, uh, the interviews where they're interrogating somebody, and then that person gives a confession. Like there's a way to convince somebody that they had a false memory, that they actually did something. Or like the satanic panic interviews where, like.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:15:54] But they do that like 12 hours straight. Not over the course of like, time.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:15:58] Yeah. Cops do that with false confessions. They just sort of like.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:16:01] They keep going over and over and over until you eventually say that. Whatever they want to say.

Cat Alvarado: [00:16:06] Yeah. But with the, uh, with the satanic panic ones. I don't know if you've gone over this, but there was this one, I think Barbara Snow, she was like a child psychologist, and she talked to all these kids, and she got them to say that their parents did stuff to them, even though they didn't. And later on, it was recanted.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:16:22] Well, it's like the, uh, the shopping mall experiment. Have you guys ever heard of the shopping mall experiment? So everyone could imagine what it would be like as a child to be lost in the mall? Like, well, back when people went to malls in the 80s, when they did this experiment, 70s and 80s, and basically they were able to convince everybody that they had been lost at the mall sometime because they could they could relate to it. So they could be like, hey, do you remember the time that you were lost in the mall? We had to go look for you and they would and then they could convince everybody because because they could relate to the feeling of being lost and they could start making it. So it was just basically the same thing. What you're saying is you're able to implant memories, especially when it's something that you could. Oh, that makes sense. I remember I was at preschool and this happened.

Cat Alvarado: [00:17:00] Which is why my theory of like to test if someone's hypnotizable. I feel like you would have those conversations and then see if you could give them a false memory and then see if they gave it back willingly. And I bet he did.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:17:12] And I mean, false confessions are different, though, because usually false confessions, usually it's I mean, every time I've been in a false confession in my life. Um, no. But usually usually it's like, you know, you've been you've been in a interrogation for like 15 hours, right?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:17:25] You have to use the bathroom.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:17:27] Like, this is what usually ends up happening. And this is what they usually say. I wanted to get out of the room, I wanted to leave, and I was willing to say whatever they want because I know that I didn't do it. So I'm just going to say I did it so that they'll get off my back. And then I'll sign whatever they want me to sign, and I'll leave, and it'll be fine, because I because I didn't do it and I know I didn't do it, so I'm just gonna. And then it I mean that causes way more problems because once you say you did it, then you're fucked, right?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:17:48] And and they treat that like gold. Even though by now we know false confessions are a thing.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:17:53] Like like the Central Park five is a perfect example of it.

Cat Alvarado: [00:17:56] But but there's that kind of false confession, but there's also the kind where you're talking to somebody who's like, has.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:18:01] Mentally.

Cat Alvarado: [00:18:01] Mentally, they're mentally challenged. They have some cognitive issues. Or if they're a child.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:18:05] Dwayne, why don't you why don't you tell us a little bit about that?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:18:07] Right. Well, this one guy, they accused him of burning his parents, but he was diminished. He had diminished capacity once the cop said, I know you did it.

Cat Alvarado: [00:18:17] Oh, no.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:18:18] Then he was like, I must have done it. If they're telling me they know I did it, you know what I mean? So I'm very fortunate to not be born with that, like in my history. Um, I've always been, like, super violent when I'm accused of something I didn't do. Yeah. Like in first grade, this kid lied on me, and I kicked him right in his face. It was one of my monumental moments, and I was like.

Ben Morrison: [00:18:39] I think what you're saying is the accusation of things you didn't do has led you to actually do things that you did do.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:18:44] Right. Exactly. But but at least it's like I didn't do that other thing. Yes, I did kick him in the face. I did that, but I think it's about, like, not breaking a child's will. I mean, some people are just going to be born the way, the way they're born. But I have parents who, like, didn't break my will. Like, they didn't accept bad behavior, but they never like it wasn't like, listen to every adult, no matter what. You know what I mean?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:19:08] Yeah. I mean, I tell my kid all the time, you should be respectful for older people. Yeah, but you don't respect everybody. Because people. Respect is earned, not given. But you have to be respectful.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:19:17] Right, right.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:19:18] If they're older, you you listen. You try to act nice or whatever. Act like a human being. But just because they're old, you know, doesn't mean anything. They just means they lived longer.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:19:26] Right. Exactly.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:19:26] You know, so you have to kind of keep that in mind when you're going. But anyway, Brown's investigation delved into Sirhan's background and the case details, drawing connections to the CIA's mk-ultra mind control experiments. The Mafia. A mysterious girl in the polka dot dress with Dwayne talked about, and an unknown radio man who allegedly directed Sirhan. While Sirhan's current legal team utilizes this theory in a pending appeal, arguing he was hypnotized. Distraction. The US court system is largely dismissed as speculative. I'm surprised by that. Experts on both sides disagree on the possibility of hypnotizing someone to commit acts against their will. And while evidence suggests the CIA explored such possibilities, courts have found no reliable proof that it occurred in Sirhan's case. Emphasizing the self-serving nature of this of his memory loss and the substantial trial evidence pointing to his intentional action.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:20:14] He worked for a short time at this horse track hear Santa Ana, Santa Anita, Santa Anita. Yes, he worked there. I guess he was cleaning stalls, and he kind of aspired to be a jockey because he was a tiny dude. And so, um, they were kind of like training him, but he had no previous, um, horse riding experience, so he So it took a few nasty spills. And so the other thing is that, like maybe that.

Cat Alvarado: [00:20:38] He did have the diminished capacity.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:20:39] Knocked his head a little bit. Yeah. So yeah he fell from a horse. Robert F Kennedy Jr doubts Sirhan Sirhan acted alone and his father's assassination believing evidence points to a second gunman. After reviewing autopsy and police reports and meeting with Sirhan, he supports a reinvestigation, a position shared by Paul Schrade and his sister, Kathleen Kennedy Townsend. Despite this, the US legal system has consistently rejected appeals, maintaining Sirhan's liability and dismissing the idea of a second gunman escaping unnoticed. Even though RFK Jr highlights discrepancies in the number of shots fired versus Sirhan's gun capacity and eyewitness accounts that contradict Sirhan's proximity to his father.

Ben Morrison: [00:21:22] On that tip, I listened to the interview with RFK, uh, was on Bill Maher's, uh, podcast Club random, which, by the way, is the shittiest name for a podcast I've ever heard. Anyway, it's a long interview and he goes into great detail and he literally says, Sirhan fired one that went, uh, you know, into a pantry and that one that missed. And then someone came up behind my father and shot him point blank four times in the back of the head. And he said there was carbon residue from the gun on the back of the head. And, uh, he he doesn't just think that Sirhan didn't do it. He he went he goes into great detail and names names on, uh, on who the shooter was.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:22:07] Oh, is that right? Who does he say? Does he think is that girl in the polka dot dress or.

Ben Morrison: [00:22:10] No, he didn't. I forget what name he named, but he actually lists a male name. It wasn't a wasn't a female.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:22:16] Okay, but to be fair, junior is a fucking crackhead. I know, but and he. And he swims in sewer water with his with his grandchildren, which is. Which is a lot.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:22:26] But here's the thing, though. Um.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:22:28] And he doesn't believe in vaccines or he thinks autistic people can.

Cat Alvarado: [00:22:32] Also has a brain worm.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:22:33] But you can be right about something. That's the thing. You could be wrong about a lot of things and right about something at the same time.

Ben Morrison: [00:22:39] Yo. What if his brain worm was MKUltra ING him?

Cat Alvarado: [00:22:43] What?

Ben Morrison: [00:22:43] What a better way to MKUltra someone than put it in a worm and then put it in your brain?

Cat Alvarado: [00:22:48] Really.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:22:49] Piggybacking on what you said, there is a recording of it. Someone was, I guess, when when Kennedy set the speech, his acceptance speech, it was still recording and the guy was sort of breaking it down, but it was still recording. And so that wasn't released for a while. So now that's been released and they've like current technology can like amplify it and stuff. And one expert says that he counts more shots than that gun holds. And also the succession of the shots is so rapid that the gun Sirhan had couldn't have shot that quick. Um, but again, CIA, FBI, I guess, listened to it. They had their experts and they said, nope. Of course they're gonna say seven. They go at seven.

Cat Alvarado: [00:23:27] They did it.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:23:28] At seven, maybe eight, which is eight, was the number of his his gun had and maybe eight. We can't tell because of the noise, but it's definitely not 13. I mean, what are we doing?

Ben Morrison: [00:23:38] Yeah. The old we investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:23:41] Right. That's. That should be the new. Like. That'd be great. Like, uh, you know, like, uh, let me see your phone. No, no, let me check my phone. Yeah. No one's in there.

Ben Morrison: [00:23:51] Yeah.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:23:54] Well, actually, for every every all my friends that are leaving the country, I always tell them before they leave the country, they should, uh, text me. So the last text is, I love Trump. He's such a great president I can't wait for. I can't wait to come back and see all the amazing things he does. And they just text me all the time so that when they look in the phone, they're like, the first thing they see is going to be the text to me where they say, Trump is so amazing. And then they could be like, oh, cool, this person, I don't care. Fucking undocumented.

Ben Morrison: [00:24:18] And then you, they let you in. But now you have to work for Ice.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:24:22] But at least they didn't get detained. At least get detained.

Ben Morrison: [00:24:24] About it.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:24:26] Do we think Trump had any role in the NBA finals. They wanted like all want it to be all red state kind of thing. Indiana versus Oklahoma, you know what I mean? That's that's not normal. But no they're both great teams.

Ben Morrison: [00:24:39] Mk ultra. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:24:40] MKUltra. All right.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:24:41] One other thing that we may get to uh, may get to it later, but there's also a link with MK Ultra and Charles Manson. I don't know if we could do that on the episode that he was under MK Ultra's thing. and then he MK ultra, the people that that he got to do killings.

Cat Alvarado: [00:24:57] Yes. I heard that theory. Yeah.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:24:59] And where he did his parole, the like was in the same building of one of the doctors that was running the MK ultra thing in the same building.

Ben Morrison: [00:25:06] Do you think MK ultra just evolved into, like, social media?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:25:10] I think so.

Ben Morrison: [00:25:13] If you want to, if you want someone to believe something, you just pump it out on Instagram and Facebook for the olds.

Cat Alvarado: [00:25:19] Well, so 2012 election, when Mitt Romney lost, there was this whole, um, what's the word? Not. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:25:25] He lost.

Cat Alvarado: [00:25:26] Yeah. What?  there was a post-mortem analysis done on where the culture was going. And basically the conclusion was the Republican Party is dead, like everything is to the left now. And if we keep going Republican like we have been, it's going to lose forever. Right. And yet look at Gen Z. They are the most conservative generation there has been. What is different about Gen Z is that they grew up with smartphones and social media in their pockets, and it really is the case that on things like TikTok, there have been a lot of, um, like not only right wing, but I would say extremely far right wing ideologies that have become kind of viral trends and really pushing people to the right side of the political spectrum. Things like the tradwife stuff, which is everybody's like, oh, it's not normal stuff. This is like not only 1950s stuff, but it's like.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:26:18] Mormon. Like. 

Cat Alvarado: [00:26:19] It's like Mormon.

Cat Alvarado: [00:26:20] It's like it's. Practically like FLDS, Warren Jeffs bullshit.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:26:23] But the other thing is that we're talking about Kennedy being shot, right? Robert F Kennedy, John Kennedy, whoever, Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, right. And there's a perception that the people who did that. Right. Keeping, you know, democratic parties, you know, parties out of it. It's that these people control in the shadows, right? And when you think of that, you think that powerful people may be Republican leaning. And now, flash ahead 50 years. People think that those people are Democrats now that are like the evil in the shadows deep state kind of thing.

Cat Alvarado: [00:26:56] Well, there's that, but I think.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:26:57] Kennedy was progressive and so was his brother. So like, how did it flip now that progressives. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:27:02] I think it's only the Republicans. I think it's the deep states. I don't think.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:27:05] But although I think people are buying into that,

Cat Alvarado: [00:27:07] People think it's China also. Like there's a lot of theories about now who would be pulling the strings.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:27:12] Asians do control. Asians do control everything. I'm just.

Cat Alvarado: [00:27:14] They're very smart people.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:27:15] But it's kind of like when you said. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:27:17] We have small penises, but we have big brains.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:27:19] When we said. Like the CIA. The CIA flooded black neighborhoods with crack. People were like, ah, get out of here. It's always been get out of here. Until now. People seem to be like. It's almost like, self-serving. Like,

Ben Morrison: [00:27:29] No, it's the Democrats flooded black neighborhoods with crack

Dwayne Perkins: [00:27:32] right? Right, right, right, right. Even though Reagan was president, the eight years that crack in aids.

Ben Morrison: [00:27:37] Democrats did it.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:27:38] Yeah, right.

Cat Alvarado: [00:27:40] So what is MKUltra? So in the early days of the Cold War, shortly after publicly denouncing Soviet tactics, CIA director Allen Dulles initiated MKUltra, a highly classified program focused on covert application of biological and chemical agents. While espousing American values, Dulls envisioned a more aggressive approach to the agency's Cold War agenda. Mkultra experiments in mind control explored various methods of behavior modification, including electroshock therapy, hypnosis, polygraphs, radiation, and a range of drugs, toxins, and chemicals chemicals. Also Side note at one point during the MKUltra thing, they would like give people drugs and then they would stand on the other side of a one way mirror and watch them do it. Like,

Ben Morrison: [00:28:32] Do the drugs.

Cat Alvarado: [00:28:33] No, have sex with each other?

Ben Morrison: [00:28:35] Oh.

Cat Alvarado: [00:28:38] That was part of it. Because a lot of the.

Ben Morrison: [00:28:40] Wait a minute. I'm an MKUltra.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:28:44] That's hilarious.

Cat Alvarado: [00:28:47] Well, a lot of the people who who were put under it were, uh, were like sex workers. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:28:52] I see. Right, right.

Cat Alvarado: [00:28:53] We're experimenting.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:28:53] It's like people that no one was going to come looking for.

Cat Alvarado: [00:28:55] Exactly.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:28:56] Yeah.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:28:57] By the way, I think it's Dulles.

Cat Alvarado: [00:28:58] Dulles?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:28:59] Dulles? I was thinking that, too. Like the airport. Even though it's, um. That's for someone else, but 

Ben Morrison: [00:29:04] I was actually thinking that, too. But I didn't want to like MKUltra you.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:29:08] I think I think the name is actually Koji.

Cat Alvarado: [00:29:10] Okay.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:29:11] These experiments often targeted vulnerable populations, such as mentally impaired children, American soldiers and prisoners, some of whom volunteer willingly while others were coerced or unknowingly involved. The CIA showed particular interest in LSD. Of course they did. Viewing it as a potential tool for interrogation and even offensive operations like controlling individuals against their will or assassinating enemy leaders. Recognizing the potential public backlash, CIA maintained extreme secrecy around MKUltra, acknowledging that the revelation of unethical and illicit activities would severely damage the agency's reputation and mission. I don't think it could be damaged more than. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:29:47] I know right. And one other thing. There's a guy named Jimmy Shaver who killed the little girl back in the 50s, and he had no criminal record prior. He was a airman, like a, you know, pilot and says he doesn't, you know, doesn't remember doing it. Maybe he just says that because he's so guilty. But the guy, they had to come sort of check him out to mentally, you know, test his if he.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:30:10] Was Charles Manson.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:30:11] No, it was um, it was one of the doctors who was running the MKUltra thing. 

Ben Morrison: [00:30:16] And one of the, you know, one of the reasons we know so little about MKUltra, like on the record, is when Nixon got into office, he had all he had all the MKUltra files burned.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:30:23] He did?

Ben Morrison: [00:30:24] Yeah. And that was before digital records.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:30:26] So. Wow. And it wasn't.

Ben Morrison: [00:30:27] Burned the files. He burned the files.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:30:28] There was a hearing. It's like 300 pages long. I might maybe see if I can, like, have someone, like, AI read it to me or something. Or MKUltra someone and be like, you got to read this.

Ben Morrison: [00:30:38] Yeah.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:30:40] Go on Fiverr and pay somebody five bucks.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:30:43] Right, right. Maybe that.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:30:44] Maybe.

Ben Morrison: [00:30:44] Oh, yeah. Dude, this research I'm, I'm I'm just gonna MKUltra people all the time.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:30:49] Right.

Ben Morrison: [00:30:51] Also, doesn't it sound like an energy drink?

Cat Alvarado: [00:30:53] It does.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:30:54] That's funny.

Cat Alvarado: [00:30:55] I really want an MK ultra right now.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:30:57] What's crazy? There's a rap group in the 80s called the Ultramagnetic MCs, and that song was MC ultra, which almost sounds like MK ultra.

Cat Alvarado: [00:31:04] It really does.

Cat Alvarado: [00:31:05] Yeah.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:31:05] Wow. Okay.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:31:07] An energy drink. That's hilarious. Except you drink it and do anything that someone tells you.

Ben Morrison: [00:31:12] What is it? Red bull gives you wings and MK ultra gives you. Like, what.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:31:15] Gives you ideas?

Ben Morrison: [00:31:16] You know.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:31:18] Missing time. Missing time.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:31:20] Right.

Cat Alvarado: [00:31:21] Okay, well, it's time to put on our thinking caps. Was Rfk's killer part of MKUltra. When we return, we'll settle this once and for all and figure out what really may be happened. Now that we've reviewed the evidence, let's give our theories.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:31:38] So yes, it was MKUltra, but it's not in the MKUltra that we that we think it wasn't the government that killed RFK.

Cat Alvarado: [00:31:45] It was Asians.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:31:46] X, MLK or any of these guys or Kennedy. It was AI.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:31:51] AI, AI back then.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:31:52] Well AI now going back in history because I has become so powerful. They're able to go back in history.

Cat Alvarado: [00:31:58] And so it was like we're going to keep RFK Jr from happening by killing RFK senior. But it messed up.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:32:03] No, no. So so like today I don't know if you guys read it, but there was like a there was like a report that the, uh, Department of Health and Services. Right, that he runs came out. It was all AI and all the annotations were wrong and the interpretations were wrong and they basically was all AI that was that is right there. That's proof that everything is AI, I mean, I.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:32:24] I would like to think it was AI like on mainframes like before we even knew it, like just these big computers.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:32:31] No, no. So but it's AI from now going back in time to be able to because now they've been able to.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:32:35] So AI is already figured out how to do time travel.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:32:38] Time travel.

Ben Morrison: [00:32:38] They think it could have been like an Italian CIA agent who was like, hey, I think you should kill Robert Nixon.

Cat Alvarado: [00:32:48] Oh, God. Uh. So, yes, I think that they did hypnotize him. I think they still have the capacity to hypnotize people. I think it's part of how they can do false flag attacks. And also, I think that they hypnotized the guy who did the assassination attempt on Donald Trump last summer.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:33:09] Well, I don't think it actually happened. That whole ear shit was bullshit. Yeah,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:33:14] That was bullshit.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:33:14] Because, like, if you get shot, if you get a.

Ben Morrison: [00:33:16] Don't know how, I know it was bullshit. Evander Holyfield, that motherfucker still has a chunk missing.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:33:21] Yeah, that's what I mean. If you get shot by. If it hits your ear, you don't have an ear anymore.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:33:25] Everyone who's ever. Every time a president gets shot at, they tackle him and he's out of there. They don't tackle him. And then he jumps up and puts one fist in the air. But. But that doesn't mean the guy who shot he could have.

Cat Alvarado: [00:33:37] Because there was someone who died,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:33:38] Like, not known.

Cat Alvarado: [00:33:39] Like there was a shooter was there.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:33:41] We don't. Yeah, right. Maybe. But also, maybe he didn't know he had blank. So maybe he's shooting blanks. Someone shot that other guy?

Cat Alvarado: [00:33:49] Yeah.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:33:49] Just to be like, well, someone's got to die. Sorry, Fred. Whatever his name was, I apologize for not knowing his name. So, uh, I don't hate that. I don't hate that.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:33:57] That's a good idea, though.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:33:57] So. So, yes, it was. It's still going on?

Cat Alvarado: [00:34:00] Yes.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:34:01] And they did the, uh, the Trump thing. Yes. But what did they do it to actually take them out or just to like to.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:34:06] Make them win?

Ben Morrison: [00:34:06] Oh, that was the turning point in the election.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:34:08] That was the.

Ben Morrison: [00:34:09] That that that incident is what Musk at least publicly cited as him deciding to go all in on Trump as well as Joe Rogan.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:34:16] Did you guys watch the video of Musk in the Oval Office yesterday where.

Ben Morrison: [00:34:20] He, with the black eye, where he's tweaking.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:34:22] His son, punched him in the face.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:34:23] And. He was like,

Ben Morrison: [00:34:24] Yeah.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:34:24] No.

Ben Morrison: [00:34:24] I was pushing out little X. And I said, you know what, go ahead. But go ahead and punch me in the face.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:34:30] The funniest thing was just him rolling like he was just like rolling his head. He was like his eyes were just cleaning out, you know, and.

Ben Morrison: [00:34:36] But then he he tweeted today, like he really tweeted about how this bill is a disaster and anyone who votes for it. I hope this breakup gets so messy.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:34:44] And you heard. About and you heard about the whole Stephen Miller thing, right?

Ben Morrison: [00:34:47] Oh, this is even better.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:34:48] Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Some people call him the space cowboy, so some call him the Gangster of Love. Oh, different Steve Miller. I'm sorry.

Ben Morrison: [00:34:56] They could not be more.

Cat Alvarado: [00:34:57] I thought you were talking about Elon Musk for a second.

Ben Morrison: [00:34:59] The whole thrupple theory.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:35:01] Yeah, yeah. The whole. And then how the. But, like, you know, the crazy thing about the whole thing is I didn't even think Miller was a human, so I didn't think he could get married.

Ben Morrison: [00:35:08] I mean, I didn't know he had a wife.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:35:09] Yeah, I didn't know. I thought he was a vampire.

Ben Morrison: [00:35:11] Like a gelatinous alien.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:35:12] That he's a vampire.

Cat Alvarado: [00:35:13] He just had incel vibes. I was like, oh yeah, that's why he hates everybody. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:35:17] Anyways. Okay, what's your theory? Dwayne 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:35:19] I think Sirhan Sirhan was a part of MKUltra, right? The problem is, like, just like they couldn't teach him to ride a horse. They couldn't teach this guy to shoot. He was. He was willing, but he wasn't able. Right. So they're like, all right, well, we'll see. But they couldn't. They knew they couldn't trust Sirhan. So sure enough, he missed shot everything except his target. Someone else shot. Kennedy was the girl in the polka dot dress. Maybe. Maybe not. Uh, but but here's my thing is they did keep it going. But the crown. Their crowning achievement was when they knew that they had perfected it. And they may have stopped. Or they may have, just like we got it. The crowning achievement didn't come until 1999. And that's when, um, the MKUltra, Garth Brooks to put out an album as Chris Gaines. So Garth Brooks woke up one day and was like, I'm going to be an emo pop star. And he put his head down like this. And then he woke up like, what the hell did I do? Like, I sold a billion records as Garth Brooks, and he had had very little recollection of why he did that. That was their crowning achievement.

Cat Alvarado: [00:36:21] You're gonna have to explain this Garth Brooks Chris Gaines thing. Did that really happen?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:36:25] It did happen. Yeah.

Cat Alvarado: [00:36:25] He just got a whole other name. Did a whole other thing.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:36:29] Different persona. You can Google it.

Cat Alvarado: [00:36:31] Like what?

Ben Morrison: [00:36:32] Pretty great.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:36:33] Chris Gaines.

Ben Morrison: [00:36:34] Yeah.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:36:35] I mean, like, this.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:36:36] Cat Is too young for this reference, but I remember this is.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:36:38] After he like. Like New York City, like a country star. The whole lawn was filled with people. And then he does this Chris Gaines. And I'm not saying it was bad or anything, I'm just saying

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:36:49] What about Michael Jordan? Maybe Michael Jordan's the same thing to quit baseball. Basketball? Yeah, and to start playing baseball.

Cat Alvarado: [00:36:54] That's crazy.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:36:55] That could be. I mean, we could explain every crazy.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:36:57] Right.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:36:58] Situation that didn't make any sense. Like that one. Like Michael Jordan, the greatest basketball player of all.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:37:03] I think, like when Janet Jackson dated Jermaine Dupri for a little while, that was clearly she was mk-ultra.

Cat Alvarado: [00:37:09] They were gonna say when. When Janet Jackson flashed everybody the Super Bowl. She was MK ultra.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:37:17] I think this is going to really free up a lot of things for me now and be like, MK ultra man. I don't have to think about this.

Ben Morrison: [00:37:23] Yep. I think it was Robert Kennedy who was under hypnosis, because you'd have to be under hypnosis to have 11 fucking children. Like how how would anyone be convinced to have 11 kids? He had 11 kids. 11 children.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:37:40] At age 42.

Ben Morrison: [00:37:41] Yeah, at age 42. That's cranking one out every year. He is Catholic.

Cat Alvarado: [00:37:45] Are they from the same lady?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:37:46] No.

Cat Alvarado: [00:37:47] No way.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:37:47] Are they are they from.

Ben Morrison: [00:37:48] No, I think they were. Apparently. I really did love his wife. But here's the thing.

Cat Alvarado: [00:37:51] I mean no kidding

Ben Morrison: [00:37:52] I don't think. I don't think he died. I just think he wanted to get the hell away from those 11 children. And I think there were two shooters and they were both named Sirhan.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:38:05] I see.

Ben Morrison: [00:38:07] Because people are like, who shot him? They were like Sirhan Sirhan. And then one guy there like. Sirhan Sirhan, and they were like, oh, that guy, you know.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:38:14] And he's so hypnotizable that he was like, oh, I guess my name is Sirhan Sirhan.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:38:18] I guess I did it.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:38:20] Yeah. Like, because. Because, yeah. Who has a name? That's the first. That's both names. I mean, we know someone who does, but.

Cat Alvarado: [00:38:25] I know a few.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:38:26] People. I met him at.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:38:27] I work with somebody named Lulu Lu.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:38:29] What's that?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:38:29] Lulu Lu.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:38:30] Lulu. Three names.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:38:31] No, Lulu was one word.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:38:32] Oh, Lulu.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:38:33] And then last name is Lu.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:38:34] But you could say that name is the first, middle and last name Lu.

Ben Morrison: [00:38:37] What fucking parents are the Lu family? Literally look at their newborn baby girl. And I was like, you wanna. Hey, you know, be funny.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:38:49] Right, right.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:38:51] Hopefully she doesn't listen to this show. I doubt she listens to this show, but.

Ben Morrison: [00:38:54] Lulu Lu, we're talking about you, you you you.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:38:57] You just told us that that's her name. Her name?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:38:59] Her name. Yeah.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:39:00] Yeah, yeah, I like, I like, I like this theory. So let me get this straight. So he didn't die. He just wanted to escape.

Ben Morrison: [00:39:05] His 11 children.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:39:06] 11 children? Keep in mind, they didn't have man caves yet, so they had nowhere to go.

Ben Morrison: [00:39:12] Flat screens were a long way away.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:39:15] And so there were two shooters. They both did they miss? Did they use blanks? How did that work in your theory?

Ben Morrison: [00:39:21] I didn't go that deep.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:39:22] Oh, okay. Okay, okay. But they were both named Sirhan.

Ben Morrison: [00:39:25] Both named Sirhan. That much I know.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:39:27] Yeah, I like it.

Ben Morrison: [00:39:27] And you can. You can bet on that.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:39:29] Did they use MKUltra on Sirhan Sirhan?

Ben Morrison: [00:39:31] Oh, yeah. Both. Both Sirhan were MKUltra. The MKUltra at each other. It was a it was a MKUltra off.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:39:37] What happened to the other Sirhan Sirhan?

Ben Morrison: [00:39:41] What happened?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:39:50] I didn't know he had 11 kids. That's a lot.

Ben Morrison: [00:39:52] 11 kids? Yeah.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:39:53] It's like you were gonna be president with 11 kids.

Ben Morrison: [00:39:55] Yeah.

Cat Alvarado: [00:39:56] I mean, look at Elon Musk.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:39:58] Yeah, Elon's doing it.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:39:59] But he's trying to. And he's doing it with different women.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:40:01] But also look at but look at Diddy like, uh, this whole Diddy situation I saw some guy talk about this too. And I've always said this like like his energy level, like morality aside, it was like you were doing all of this and running a record company. Fashion, liquor, um, TV shows. I just don't.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:40:18] Having Tupac killed.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:40:19] Uh, yeah, probably that, probably that too. And allowing biggie to get killed?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:40:23] Yeah. Allowing Biggie to get killed. Yeah,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:40:24] That's a lot of stuff. Yeah. It just makes me feel like. Fuck, man, I'm not doing enough. Not that I want to do those things, but I'm just saying, like.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:40:34] Yeah, I mean, but if you were you,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:40:36] I could. I could finish that pilot. I'm working on it.

Cat Alvarado: [00:40:43] Cocaine is a hell of a drug.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:40:44] Right. Okay. It's time for us to pick the unofficial official story. One that will answer this question once and for all. So what's the new official story, guys?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:40:53] I think this is easy. I'm ready for Ben's.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:40:55] Yeah, I'm going with Ben's as well.

Cat Alvarado: [00:40:57] Okay, I'll vote for Ben's too.

Ben Morrison: [00:40:58] And the reason you are is like MK ultra. All three of you fuckers.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:41:07] I think that's a sweep.

Cat Alvarado: [00:41:08] Yeah. Wow. Very few people get complete sweep.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:41:12] What do you think? What do you think he did? Where did he go? Uh, after he, um, didn't die?

Ben Morrison: [00:41:17] Look, man, I just took the win. I don't need to go any further,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:41:19] Okay? Okay. Just.

Cat Alvarado: [00:41:21] I mean, but if we had to think, like, if we as a group had to come up with where he went.

Ben Morrison: [00:41:25] Oh, I think.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:41:26] The other Sirhan.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:41:27] No, no.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:41:28] Oh, the Kennedy.

Cat Alvarado: [00:41:28] Yeah,

Ben Morrison: [00:41:29] He became the brainworm.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:41:32] Duh. Or like he's somewhere watching his son and be like, I'm glad I got out of there.

Ben Morrison: [00:41:37] Yeah. He's still rattling around his trachea right now.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:41:42] Although, isn't the, um. Oh, my God, nobody talks about this anymore. But what was that conspiracy that the right had with QAnon?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:41:49] Was it was JFK Jr supposed to come back?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:41:51] Yeah, but what if they just got that wrong? That was supposed to be Robert Kennedy.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:41:54] Oh yeah.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:41:55] Yeah. And he's he's alive. He's that I forget the name of the QAnon guy, but the he's the Q oh, I guess. He's Q and he's, he's the one that's sending all the messages and could be. He's become super right in his old age. He's become like, hey, I don't.

Cat Alvarado: [00:42:09] Here's my theory because because he was a Democrat, right? Okay. George Soros is Robert F Kennedy. Oh, so he just went and, like, made a lot of money.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:42:20] I have a take. Shohei Ohtani is Robert Kennedy.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:42:28] That's outrageous.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:42:30] That's why it's so real.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:42:31] Reincarnated, maybe. Yeah.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:42:32] No, just. He's just Robert Kennedy.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:42:34] Okay.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:42:34] Don't change my fucking.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:42:35] I'm sorry. I'm just trying to understand it. Yeah.

Cat Alvarado: [00:42:38] Mine at least made sense. Like, age wise, it kind of made sense. Like it could be true.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:42:43] But I think everything. Like when you get sad about the current state of affairs, you just have to remind yourself. This was like all the groundwork was laid down in the 60s in terms of just sort of like being free, but kind of not free, but kind of free. Then you know what I mean? And social media just is a big distraction. Like last year, everyone was talking about Kendrick and Drake, not everyone. But like, it's like there's an election going on, guys.

Ben Morrison: [00:43:05] Yeah.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:43:05] You know what's going on.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:43:08] But what happened to them though? That's the more important thing.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:43:10] What? Kendrick and Drake.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:43:11] What happened to them?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:43:12] I mean, they're both doing fine. Yeah, right.

Cat Alvarado: [00:43:15] Drake is launching a fragrance line. I don't know if you guys knew this, but the fragrance is called Summer mink from his brand A Better World. And I'm like, what a time to launch a brand when everybody thinks you're a giant pedophile loser.

Ben Morrison: [00:43:29] Wow.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:43:29] Wait. Summer mink.

Cat Alvarado: [00:43:31] Yeah.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:43:31] It's a weird name,

Cat Alvarado: [00:43:32] Right? I think he AI it,

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:43:34] Mink. It feels like a pubic hair.

Ben Morrison: [00:43:36] Yeah. Apparently, the fragrance is described as smelling not like musk. 

Cat Alvarado: [00:43:42] Actually, they say it smells a lot like a miner.

Ben Morrison: [00:43:46] Right. There we go.

Cat Alvarado: [00:43:48] Okay.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:43:48] All right. Yeah. Like when? Like even that. Like that was a hot line. But then when someone's like, yo, did you know in the key of a minor, there are no black keys. And I was like, you know what? I'm tapping out of this now because I guarantee you, guarantee you. Kendrick didn't think of that when he wrote it.

Cat Alvarado: [00:44:06] Well, you guys, that is the official story. We'll take another break and then we'll ask what we do. If we could harness the power of MK ultra ourselves. You suddenly had the ability to control minds, whether through MKUltra style experimentation or some other technique. How would you use it? Would you go full villain, manipulate the masses, or try to fix the world in a way only you could understand?

Ben Morrison: [00:44:31] My apartment has a balcony at the end of it, and the apartment below me has a closed in, uh, little backyard area. And because of the fact that, uh, it's like a walled in backyard area, every noise and peep that my downstairs neighbor makes gets amplified into my apartment. So if I could, I would mkultra my downstairs neighbor to close his fucking sliding glass doors because I swore to God it sounds like he's in my living room. And furthermore, I would maybe MK ultra him to not like tell loud stories of getting in violent fights to his fucking five year old kid who just sits there and like, idolizes his douchey daddy all day. It's like, ha ha, fuck, fuck this. And his little kids are like. Yeah, haha, fuck fuck. And I hear all of it.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:45:17] Oh, and you said the thing about closing the door. Right? I was like, I hope he hears this. And he knows he's being inconsiderate and he's going to close that door. But then when you added the thing about the kid, I was like, I hope he doesn't hear this, that he brags about fighting. That's crazy man.

Cat Alvarado: [00:45:32] You wonder how people turn out to be so shitty. You're like, why is this? Because they have parents where shitty and are like, yeah, let me teach my kid how to be.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:45:38] Have you thought about, like, um, letting him know or letting the housing people know? You know,

Ben Morrison: [00:45:43] Here's the thing. I've unofficially complained to the building manager three times just to tell him to close his doors.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:45:50] And when he says he complained, he mkultra someone else. 

Ben Morrison: [00:45:53] Altered the building manager. Yeah. No, I've talked to the manager about three separate times, but she wants me to fill out an official report. And I don't want to get this guy in trouble with, like, the, like the actual, like, building. So I'm just doing my silent protest. I'm gonna get a subwoofer.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:46:06] Oh, out loud. Him. Yeah, I like that. Oh, yeah. Because you could play, like, techno or something. That's your that's your jam, right?

Ben Morrison: [00:46:12] Yeah.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:46:12] Because.

Ben Morrison: [00:46:13] Yeah. Listen to movies loud because he can't complain.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:46:16] No. Here's what you gotta do. Right. That's good. You have to like, one day hear what? What movie he's listening to. Make sure you know the movie, and then you play it loud as fuck.

Ben Morrison: [00:46:26] Mhm.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:46:26] One minute ahead of him.

Cat Alvarado: [00:46:28] Yeah.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:46:30] So everything that happens, he hears one minute before it happens.

Ben Morrison: [00:46:34] That's good.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:46:35] Yeah yeah yeah.

Ben Morrison: [00:46:35] I like that.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:46:36] It's like ah. Someone gets shot. Yeah yeah that would be nice.

Ben Morrison: [00:46:42] Remind me never to wrong you man. That's devious.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:46:46] All right Dwayne, what about you?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:46:47] This one is interesting because there's so many things I want to do. I would I think I would mkultra people because social media is. So I don't know if it's insidious is the right word. And even. 

Ben Morrison: [00:46:57] That's a that's that's a pretty good word.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:46:58] Yeah. Even me and I'm fancy myself to have pretty strong willpower. But I still lose time on it. Right. Like I look up and I'm like, man, that was ten minutes. It was supposed to be 30 seconds. So if I get MKUltra people to not be on social media as much like at MKUltra, everyone, and I'd give them like a limit. Everyone gets 20 minutes. After 20 minutes you just go bing and you and you go, you make brownies or something, you just won't. After 20 minutes, you're no longer physically able to be on social media. Right? And then also I would MKUltra people to watch Christopher Nolan movies only once. If you get it, you get it. Okay. But don't tell me I got to watch a movie six times. Oh, by the fifth time, it makes sense. No, it makes no sense that I would have to watch anything more than once. If I watch it again, it should be because I want to watch it again. Not because, like, oh, I didn't get that. So anyway, those are my two things.

Ben Morrison: [00:47:52] You guys know if you watch tenet in reverse, it still makes no fucking sense.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:48:01] That's the movie I was thinking of too. And I like some of his movies. Every other one. But like tenet, I didn't really love interstellar. I love inception, but yeah, unless unless Christopher Nolan is willing to make his movies an hour and a half, then I'll give it a two watch.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:48:13] I mean, Dark Knight is real.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:48:14] But if it's three hours, you get one watch, bro.

Cat Alvarado: [00:48:16] I think we know what I'm gonna say.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:48:18] Is it about your ex-boyfriend?

Cat Alvarado: [00:48:21] Okay, number one, I'm gonna MK-Ultra a few things. First off, I'm gonna get my ex-boyfriend to love me again. I always say this. And. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:48:29] Would that be. Would that be against his will or his will would be into it? How did that how does that work?

Cat Alvarado: [00:48:34] Because he's being MK ultra and it is his will. Like. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:48:36] Oh I see.

Cat Alvarado: [00:48:37] That's how it works. Like now he wants it. So it's not like witchcraft where I have to sell my soul. It's using CIA technology.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:48:45] Lsd, maybe. Yeah.

Cat Alvarado: [00:48:46] On him to love me. So okay, that aside, I would then get everybody to believe in science again. I think that would be a good one. I would mkultra them out of believing in things like crystal rocks and. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:49:00] Astrology.

Cat Alvarado: [00:49:01] Astrology and yeah, I would for sure end astrology.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:49:05] I am an aquarius by the way. Just let you know.

Cat Alvarado: [00:49:07] I don't believe in that. And I indulge my friends who do because I want to have female friends in Los Angeles. And you can't. You can't have those if you shit all over.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:49:18] That is such a Sagittarius thing to do. I'm sorry. I don't know what you are.

Cat Alvarado: [00:49:22] But I do think, I think that the horoscopes are like the first step. They're like the gateway drug to not believing in science and to getting into a bunch of horseshit. So I would get MKUltra, everybody out of believing in horoscopes, and that would be the first step. And then eventually.

Ben Morrison: [00:49:40] Such a Sagittarius thing to say.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:49:41] Right, right.

Cat Alvarado: [00:49:43] I have, you know, I'm a Virgo rising sun sign, moon sign, and my Venus and my Mars all Virgo.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:49:50] Oh, wow. So just straight across the board.

Cat Alvarado: [00:49:52] Yeah.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:49:53] That's crazy.

Cat Alvarado: [00:49:53] Yeah, it's really weird.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:49:55] You know, there's, like, only a one in 300 million chance of that happening.

Cat Alvarado: [00:49:59] I know

Dwayne Perkins: [00:50:00] According to what I just made up in my head.

Cat Alvarado: [00:50:02] Right. And that's actually why I'm the Messiah so hi.

Ben Morrison: [00:50:08] Wow.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:50:09] Right, right.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:50:10] Well, okay. Okay, so since you talked about your ex-boyfriend, I could talk about what I want to talk about, which is Asians.

Cat Alvarado: [00:50:14] You. You MK Ultra me into talking about.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:50:17] Okay, so I'm gonna go go through things a little bit differently than you guys. So the original way it's supposed to be was Asian people were supposed to be in charge of everything, but then somehow it got messed up. People got mk-ultra.

Cat Alvarado: [00:50:28] A Japanese person would say that.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:50:30] Yeah, I blame opium. I'm sorry. Go ahead.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:50:32] So now I'm gonna just reverse it. With the right mk-ultra and put it back to the way it's supposed to be, which is. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:50:39] Asian people do run things in a lot of the world.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:50:42] No, but but they need. We're the bosses of everything. We're like the, uh, overlords. And you guys, everybody else is like not. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:50:50] How do you treat us? Like, not so great or no.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:50:53] Terribly. yeah. You guys are all just. Not important. People to us Asian people.

Ben Morrison: [00:50:58] I never thought you'd go the Hitler route.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:51:01] Well, we don't talk about genetics or anything. I mean.

Cat Alvarado: [00:51:04] He's Japanese.

Ben Morrison: [00:51:05] You guys just your own.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:51:08] They're just good people and bad people. That's all. That's all? That's all I'm saying, you know?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:51:12] So what's the daily. What's the day like for a non-Asian in this world.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:51:15] Serving Asian people?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:51:16] Like, uh, like food and things like that? Or just.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:51:19] Yeah. If I have to, like, you know, if I need my butt wiped. You guys are my bidet. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:51:23] Butt wiped?

Cat Alvarado: [00:51:23] Oh, wow. Okay.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:51:25] This is getting to be P-diddy territory now.

Cat Alvarado: [00:51:32] Ooh.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:51:32] Dinner.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:51:33] So you want. But here's the thing. Are we cooking Asian food, or are we? We're giving you mac and cheese. Like. What's that? What's going on?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:51:39] Is there any other kind of food?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:51:40] Yeah, there's mac and cheese.

Ben Morrison: [00:51:41] You don't want us. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:51:42] Hot dogging.

Ben Morrison: [00:51:44] Your noodles. We're gonna do that shit.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:51:47] Well, you're gonna have to learn.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:51:48] Good luck with that.

Ben Morrison: [00:51:49] Yeah, I mean.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:51:50] Or you're killed.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:51:52] Oh, I see, I see. Yeah.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:51:53] There's there's there's happy places you could go that will make you, you know, disappear.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:51:57] And you would MKUltra everyone to be okay with it, basically.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:52:00] Well, I'm gonna I'm just gonna return it to the way it was supposed to be, because MK. Everyone got MKUltra into the opposite way, and now we're just returning it to.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:52:06] It's actually it's a correction.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:52:08] Yes, it's a correction. Mkultra.

Ben Morrison: [00:52:09] I didn't know we could, uh, go for utter and world genetic domination. I'm gonna change my answer from my downstairs neighbor. Like, that was a little.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:52:17] I thought it was a limited scope kind of thing.

Cat Alvarado: [00:52:19] I was very surprised.

Ben Morrison: [00:52:21] I know we could give now.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:52:23] Right.

Cat Alvarado: [00:52:24] Okay. What's your new answer?

Ben Morrison: [00:52:25] Yeah. I mean, of course, if you say, uh, I want my culture to rule, the whole world is funny. But if I say that.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:52:32] That's already happened.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:52:33] You can't say it.

Ben Morrison: [00:52:35] I got kicked off of Instagram and welcomed into x.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:52:38] Well, but because people will, like, use it out of context, you know what I mean?

Ben Morrison: [00:52:42] I mean, because.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:52:43] Well, you might actually become more popular now actually, the way, the way things are going in this country, you'd be like.

Ben Morrison: [00:52:48] Just when my career really starts to wane, then I'm going to take a hard right white supremacist stance and I'll have a new lease on life. I'll move to Austin.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:52:59] Thanks again, Ben, for coming on with us. Um, please tell us where people can find you and follow you and your special and everything.

Ben Morrison: [00:53:05] Uh, well, first of all, thank you guys for having me. I had a MK ultra good time. Um. Easy way to find me. Just Abernathy Morrison on all platforms, TikTok, Instagram, and most importantly, uh, YouTube at Ben Morrison. First link will be the special. Check it out. If you thought, uh, I made you laugh today, I think you'll really like that. Uh, live from the ice house. Main room coming at you, 45. Um, and, uh, thank you for having me on, I appreciate it. I kind of, like, don't trust anything anymore after doing this podcast.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:53:39] This one, this one we kind of get did some jokes, but it's it's a little disheartening. But we're here.

Ben Morrison: [00:53:45] Yeah.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:53:45] That's all I can say is we're here.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:53:47] To our listeners. We truly appreciate your support and enthusiasm for our quirky, mysterious, and fun filled journey, your curiosity and engagement make this podcast a joy to create. Stay tuned for more intriguing stories and remember to share, subscribe and leave a review. Until next time, keep wondering and stay unofficially official.

Cat Alvarado: [00:54:04] In the next episode, we'll be asking the question were the Roswell aliens really special needs Soviet children?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:54:12] That's a whole theory. It's a whole theory that people like, you know, how they found, like, allegedly found like gray aliens. People actually think that they were maybe special needs Soviet children, that that.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:54:23] This is like, this is a 80s comedy comic comedian dream.

Ben Morrison: [00:54:27] Oh, wow. Wait, this isn't the end of podcast joke?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:54:31] No, this is actually people actually believe this. This is a real thing. I mean, sorry, this is a real I'm not a real thing. It's a real conspiracy. I should make it clear. All right, guys, thank you so much. See you guys.

Cat Alvarado: [00:54:44] Bye bye.